The Footie Thread

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Been watching all today’s highlights on Sky and think I’ve witnessed the worst footballing side in the Prem and that’s West Ham. They offered nothing no technical skill or play, no tactical nous or understanding of the game and absolutely no fight whatsoever in a single player. If they stay in the premier league I’d be extremely surprised. Watching that game you’d think they were the bottom side on the table and could have been worse if Areola hadn’t made some of the saves he did.

 

[Skytot]

Lads& lasses as most know on here I’m a city fan but myself and my blue pals really don’t think we will win it this season. We aren’t good enough. Many city teams of old would go on and win this prem, but not this one . Long way to go and we will see

 

[Norrin Radd]

Brighton won

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Been watching all today’s highlights on Sky and think I’ve witnessed the worst footballing side in the Prem and that’s West Ham. They offered nothing no technical skill or play, no tactical nous or understanding of the game and absolutely no fight whatsoever in a single player. If they stay in the premier league I’d be extremely surprised. Watching that game you’d think they were the bottom side on the table and could have been worse if Areola hadn’t made some of the saves he did.

A few weeks ago this post would have been about Wolves. Things can change . West Ham do need to sort something out quickly though before the grimness of a relegation battle kicks in, if it hasn't already.

 

[Voyager EMH]

About 5 yards offside, but not given. Linesman has good view angle.
Inactive player? Maybe so, but what if offside had been ruled?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

About 5 yards offside, but not given. Linesman has good view angle.
Inactive player? Maybe so, but what if offside had been ruled?

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As long as the whistle hadn't been blown before the ball crossed the line it would have been overruled and a goal given.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

About 5 yards offside, but not given. Linesman has good view angle.
Inactive player? Maybe so, but what if offside had been ruled?

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Who is offside ?

 

[Voyager EMH]

Who is offside ?

Number 11 Villa player is in an offside position by about 5 yards, but maybe not offside by being inactive.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Number 11 Villa player is in an offside position by about 5 yards, but maybe not offside by being inactive.

So he isn’t the offside and no linesman will flag it

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

A few weeks ago this post would have been about Wolves. Things can change . West Ham do need to sort something out quickly though before the grimness of a relegation battle kicks in, if it hasn't already.

I don’t disagree but difference is you can see where Wolves are beginning to move forward as a club and the changes Edward’s has made are positive. West Ham are still as bad if not worse under Nuno than they were under Potter. They’re already on a relegation battle and would be surprised if they stay up how they’re playing.

 

[Voyager EMH]

So he isn’t the offside and no linesman will flag it

What if the shot had hit the post, bounced out to number 11 who then scores? He is offside when the ball was played forward and no one else touches the ball.
Would the linesman then flag for offside?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

What if the shot had hit the post, bounced out to number 11 who then scores? He is offside when the ball was played forward and no one else touches the ball.
Would the linesman then flag for offside?

Then if the linesman thought he might be offside he raises the flag after the ball goes in and it’s checked on VAR

 

[irip]

What if the shot had hit the post, bounced out to number 11 who then scores? He is offside when the ball was played forward and no one else touches the ball.
Would the linesman then flag for offside?

Yes he would then become active.
Personally I think this is a good example of how the offside rule should work and good officiating.
I would still like to see offside given if a player in the 18 yard box is offside whether interfering or not but that’s my own personal opinion not the law/rule

 

[Voyager EMH]

He scored, everything else is irrelevant. Pure whataboutery

No.
Not irrelevant.
Hypothetical. And a discussion of "active" and "inactive" with regards to offside.
The player is deemed inactive at the moment the ball is played forwards (shot on goal).
But can he become active again and be ruled as offside as he got himself into goal scoring position by virtue of an offside position at the moment the ball was played forwards?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No.
Not irrelevant.
Hypothetical. And a discussion of "active" and "inactive" with regards to offside.
The player is deemed inactive at the moment the ball is played forwards (shot on goal).
But can he become active again and be ruled as offside as he got himself into goal scoring position by virtue of an offside position at the moment the ball was played forwards?

That’s just standard offside rules

yes the player will become active if he puts the ball in the net after it hits the post or a player etc

 

[Slime]

McGinn scored. Passage of play ended. If, buts and maybe’s…

Yeah, but a good excuse to have an argument.

 

[Voyager EMH]

McGinn scored. Passage of play ended. If, buts and maybe’s…

Ifs, buts and maybes do tend to enter into discussions about "active" and "inactive" offside decisions.
My first post on this had two ifs, one but and one maybe.

The game finished 3:1
Perhaps no further discussion on anything from the game other than that final score, is worthy of any discussion?
But then I didn't think I was discussing anything from that game in particular, merely using one moment from it as an example of offside rulings.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Ifs, buts and maybes do tend to enter into discussions about "active" and "inactive" offside decisions.
My first post on this had two ifs, one but and one maybe.

The game finished 3:1
Perhaps no further discussion on anything from the game other than that final score, is worthy of any discussion?
But then I didn't think I was discussing anything from that game in particular, merely using one moment from it as an example of offside rulings.

There was no offside decision to be made in the goal

Obviously if the ball didn’t go in and ended up at Watkins in the same phase then a decision needs to be made

 

[Billysboots]

Fellas, please. Agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Voyager EMH]

There was no offside decision to be made in the goal

Obviously if the ball didn’t go in and ended up at Watkins in the same phase then a decision needs to be made

Something I would like to add, although it clearly didn't happen in this case
A player can be part of the fast moving play that leads up to such a point, taking defender(s) attention and creating space for another player. He has been "active" in creating that opportunity for a shot, momentarily "inactive" at the time of the shot and can become "active" again after the shot.
Very difficult and/or impossible for a defender to take note and act according to these changes that happen so quickly.
From a defender's point of view, the attacker is always active, and the defender will act and respond that way.
The "inactive" player can have caused the defenders to be in the positions that allow a shot to be taken. And he can be "inactive" for one second only.