The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

Here is a simple question

The Isak goal and the tackle after

Should there be punishment for that tackle which was an attempt to stop the goal but got the player late

It wasn't a foul. It was a genuine and fair attempt to stop a goal. What else could he do? Stand aside and give Isak a free shot?

Sometimes injuries occur due to bad luck. Not all contact is a foul, nor is every injury caused by a foul

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You need to watch it again, Van de Ven was already trying to block the shot before Isak hit it, unfortunate coming together, no more, no less.

Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool | Alexander Isak puts Reds ahead but at a cost!

Alexander Isak scores for Liverpool but injures himself in the process against Spurs.

www.skysports.com

Edit: Just noticed the headline with that link Not sure Isak injured himself!

Not in my opinion no.
It was an honest attempt to win the ball.
It wasn’t 2 footed and there was no malice or unnecessary force in the tackle.
I think it was just unlucky for Isak.
Not every foul needs to be a booking

It’s something we see regularly happening in a game where someone takes a shot , scores and there is contact after and it’s never looked at

So if that happened in the middle of the pitch and the player had made the pass and the player is clattered in the same way what then happens ? Always a foul and yellow and maybe more

It was discussed on 5live last night and a referee phoned in about it

 

[Don Barzini]

Are the EPL introducing post-game scrutineering of players? Would hate for big Erling's skid plank to be worn and him getting DQ'd...

Man City to weigh players before Forest game - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm20dd4md8qo

Quick, someone show this to Pep before the Forest game!!

 

[PaulMdj]

It’s something we see regularly happening in a game where someone takes a shot , scores and there is contact after and it’s never looked at

So if that happened in the middle of the pitch and the player had made the pass and the player is clattered in the same way what then happens ? Always a foul and yellow and maybe more

It was discussed on 5live last night and a referee phoned in about it

If the Ref decides anywhere on the pitch it is reckless or violent or endangering an opponent he can take action how he deems fit, if on the other hand he sees it as no more than an attempt to play the ball, then he’ll play on.

If he’d of decided VDV’s tackle was worthy of a card he could give whatever card he believes it warranted.

Isak scoring a goal has no bearing on Violent Conduct or any other Cardable offence.

 

[irip]

It’s something we see regularly happening in a game where someone takes a shot , scores and there is contact after and it’s never looked at

So if that happened in the middle of the pitch and the player had made the pass and the player is clattered in the same way what then happens ? Always a foul and yellow and maybe more

It was discussed on 5live last night and a referee phoned in about it

I don’t think it was worthy of a yellow card, the advantage is fine as a goal is scored so no need to give a free kick.

Football is a contact sport and sometimes it will result in injury. There are a lot worse challenges in every game.

If it wasn’t Isak (or a Liverpool player) I don’t think you would of even mentioned it.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I don’t think it was worthy of a yellow card, the advantage is fine as a goal is scored so no need to give a free kick.

Football is a contact sport and sometimes it will result in injury. There are a lot worse challenges in every game.

If it wasn’t Isak (or a Liverpool player) I don’t think you would have even mentioned it.

I’m surprised it’s even a talking point tbh.

 

[nickjdavis]

There was no intent from the Spurs defender, he was merely trying to block Isak's shot.

Both his and Isak's momentum puts them on a collision course and it was unfortunate that Isak's leg got caught between the defenders leg and he went down awkwardly. There was no coming together of the defenders boot/stud on Isak's leg, nor was it a dangerous "scissor tackle" as has been mooted in some parts. You see similar attempts to block shots (see Rees James on Harvey Barnes on Saturday) every match, which don't have such an unfortunate outcome.

 

[Hobbit]

Surely kicking an opponent isn’t subjective though, he either kicked him or he missed him, its the was the contact sufficient discussion that confuses it.

These Officials are the best in the Country and are paid to make these decisions, I’ve no doubt they aren’t stupid enough to be fooled all the time and I’m sure they know when a genuine tackle is put in.

The only part everyone does agree on is that VAR has not helped anyone, it probably gets 95%+ decisions correct but the ones they get wrong deflects from that.

Crazy thing is a foul can be given if no contact was made = intent, but no foul was given when contact was made in that match. For me, that just highlights how poor the decision was.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I don’t think it was worthy of a yellow card, the advantage is fine as a goal is scored so no need to give a free kick.

Football is a contact sport and sometimes it will result in injury. There are a lot worse challenges in every game.

If it wasn’t Isak (or a Liverpool player) I don’t think you would of even mentioned it.

Thought it was a very good talking point last night and was interesting, it was only talked about because of what happened

It’s something we never see happen when a goal is scored

I don’t tbink personally it’s a red card etc but it’s a yellow imo because he is a little late and does catch the player

 

[irip]

Thought it was a very good talking point last night and was interesting, it was only talked about because of what happened

It’s something we never see happen when a goal is scored

I don’t tbink personally it’s a red card etc but it’s a yellow imo because he is a little late and does catch the player

I don’t think it’s a talking point at all.
Isak gets a bit unlucky but you would expect any player to try and make a block in that position.
He doesn’t catch the standing foot and Isak plants his leg between the defenders which actually is what causes the injury.
At that pace I don’t think anyone is at fault and wouldn’t like to see any player get booked for it.

I accept you have a different opinion though which is fine.

 

[PaulMdj]

Thought it was a very good talking point last night and was interesting, it was only talked about because of what happened

It’s something we never see happen when a goal is scored

I don’t tbink personally it’s a red card etc but it’s a yellow imo because he is a little late and does catch the player

Can you give another example of when it should of? I can’t think of one.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I don’t think it’s a talking point at all.
Isak gets a bit unlucky but you would expect any player to try and make a block in that position.
He doesn’t catch the standing foot and Isak plants his leg between the defenders which actually is what causes the injury.
At that pace I don’t think anyone is at fault and wouldn’t like to see any player get booked for it.

I accept you have a different opinion though which is fine.

Alexander Isak injury: Should Micky van de Ven have seen red for tackle on Liverpool forward?

Micky van de Ven faced no action for the challenge which led to Alexander Isak's injury in Liverpool's win at Tottenham - but did the officials make the right call?

www.bbc.co.uk

It is unlucky that he was injured but if he was yellow carded then I don’t think there would have been too many complaints

The tackle that should have seen red imo was Bentacur on Kerkez - that was really poor

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Crazy thing is a foul can be given if no contact was made = intent, but no foul was given when contact was made in that match. For me, that just highlights how poor the decision was.

I thought the Saliba incident should have been a penalty - Ref watch went through it

Gallagher said the contact didn’t warrant a penalty

But then it was the same VAR that took 3 mins to check the handball

 

[anotherdouble]

I totally agree with everything you’ve said after the first 3 words.

He admits it bias, but a great post would of been the website mentioning times N’Castle have benefitted from bad decisions.

The BBC have made a big thing today about Isak’s injury, despite Slot stating they won’t know the extent until a scan this week, Lpool fans commenting about how it should of been a red card, but no mention of VVD’s tackle as shown in a previous post.

You’re 100% correct it’s insanity, but only when they feel their team has been

This.

Mic up the referee so we can hear what he says to players and what they say back to him. Also what he and VAR are saying to each other. Full transparency. Same as rugby, where it works perfectly.

Overhaul the decision making process. Stop this mindset of “Can we look really hard and find a tiny and stupid reason to disallow this goal”. Change it to “Let’s have a quick look on the replay and if it isn’t a clear and obvious error, go with what looks right after looking at it a couple of times”.

Also give the power for an onfield ref to just watch a quick TV replay for any decision he wants to. Stop this stupid “We can’t change the onfield decision unless it’s clear and obvious”. Let him have the power to pause and check it himself quickly.

The problem with this in football compared to rugby is the respect given by the players. In football it would be constant swearing and live not fit for the kids and on tv it will be bleep bleep bleep rendering it incoherent

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The problem with this in football compared to rugby is the respect given by the players. In football it would be constant swearing and live not fit for the kids and on tv it will be bleep bleep bleep rendering it incoherent

Respect is an ugly word in football - both on and off the stands

 

[Don Barzini]

The problem with this in football compared to rugby is the respect given by the players. In football it would be constant swearing and live not fit for the kids and on tv it will be bleep bleep bleep rendering it incoherent

Yep. You’re spot on.

But once the players figure out that nowadays it isn’t a good look for the public to hear them effing, jeffing and arguing all the time, they’ll stop.

Threat of online backlash? Threat of sponsors dropping them? I believe they’d soon find a way to control their mouths.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yep. You’re spot on.

But once the players figure out that nowadays it isn’t a good look for the public to hear them effing, jeffing and arguing all the time, they’ll stop.

Threat of online backlash? Threat of sponsors dropping them? I believe they’d soon find a way to control their mouths.

This is footballers - they still swear their heads of at the ref knowing cameras are on them and players don’t have any respect for the refs

That won’t ever change

 

[clubchamp98]

It’s something we see regularly happening in a game where someone takes a shot , scores and there is contact after and it’s never looked at

So if that happened in the middle of the pitch and the player had made the pass and the player is clattered in the same way what then happens ? Always a foul and yellow and maybe more

It was discussed on 5live last night and a referee phoned in about it

The CB in my opinion must put a challenge in to stop the shot.

It’s the stupid bookings in the outfield when the follow through gets an opponent that needs to change!

I have watched it a few times and originally thought it was a foul but now I think he has to try and block it.

The Richarlason strangle was a joke that’s a yellow at least
Bentanchur should have gone for the assault on Kerkez such a poor challenge putting him in danger.

I used to like Frank but he’s changed Spurs into a team of thugs.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The CB in my opinion must put a challenge in to stop the shot.

It’s the stupid bookings in the outfield when the follow through gets an opponent that needs to change!

I have watched it a few times and originally thought it was a foul but now I think he has to try and block it.

The Richarlason strangle was a joke that’s a yellow at least
Bentanchur should have gone for the assault on Kerkez such a poor challenge putting him in danger.

I used to like Frank but he’s changed Spurs into a team of thugs.

Follow throughs can be dangerous hence why it’s the players responsibility to ensure he is in control - their is nothing stupid if a players follow through is high or catches a player dangerously

The Bentacuer challenge was a disgrace

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The contact for that penalty is prob not as much as the Saliba incident