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Hobbit said:
Like I said, “I disagree.”

As for what he achieved during his second stint, Ravenelli was the Prem’s top scorer with 31(?) goals when he played for Middlesbrough. Boro got relegated that season. To watch him lose it with his strike partner time and time again… he was disruptive, frustrating and affected the confidence of his strike partner. Ronaldo disrupted that Utd team, and his performance doesn’t excuse that.
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The White Feather was a legend and I remember watching him in awe as a kid but there's levels to football. I just checked and he got 16 league goals which is still very impressive for a debut season in a new league, the rest were domestic cup goals. Ronaldo's were PL and CL with no legs according to some and 10 years older!

Ronaldo tried to change the dressing room into winners and he was met by a load of dossers and an insecure manager. The fact many have been bombed out or are still doing nothing since says a lot?
 
Ronaldo getting interviewed by Piers Morgan was unacceptable, and he had to go after that. Before that, no real idea what happened behind the scenes. How much was to do with Ronaldo wanting to leave as we were awful and no Champions League, how much ETH didnt feel he had the profile to play his system, or a bit of both.

However, Ronaldo was still fantastic for us. A pure goal scorer. Single handedly won us many games domestically and in Europe. Made the PL Team of the Year. I believe the season before we had Igalho.

As sour as it ended, had we kept Ronaldo up until he was 40, I am confident Utd would have done much better than they have done. Apart from the purple patch by Rashford, Utd have been horrific at scoring goals. No chance Ronaldo would have been starved of service. He'd have demanded it, and he can score goals out of nothing. Stick a dodgy cross in box, he still has some sort of superhuman instinct and superhuman leap to get on the end of it.

If Utd had bought Kane after Ronaldo, fair enough. But, I'm sure many Utd fans would have felt easier having Ronaldo in No. 9 position over last few years rather than Rashford, Martial, Hojlund or Zirkzee
 
As a non Utd fan, I would have liked Ronaldo to stay longer, second spell. He scored goals but he messed up the rest of the team. Everything had to end up with him, he stopped the flow of the side. He scored but his overall impact was negative.

When opposition fans want a manager or player to stay, you know something isn't right 😄
 
Lord Tyrion said:
As a non Utd fan, I would have liked Ronaldo to stay longer, second spell. He scored goals but he messed up the rest of the team. Everything had to end up with him, he stopped the flow of the side. He scored but his overall impact was negative.

When opposition fans want a manager or player to stay, you know something isn't right 😄
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At least Utd have got that flow back since he left :ROFLMAO:
 
nickjdavis said:
I wonder if you could make a Brazilian XI with players who have decidedly un-Brazilian like names?

A brief scour of Wikipedia shows it would be dead easy.
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GK: Alisson (Liverpool)
DF: Alex (Chelsea)
DF: Cris (Lyon)
DF: Wallace (Lazio)
MF: Allan (Napoli & Everton)
MF: Oscar (Chelsea)
MF: Kevin (Fulham)
MF: Bernard (Everton)
FW: Fred (Lyon)
FW: Jo (City & Everton)
FW: Malcom (Barca, Zenit, Al Hilal)

Bench:
Douglas (Barca)
Fred (Man Utd)
Ralf (Corinthians)
Miranda (Atletico & Inter)
Alex (Fenerbahce)
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Oh my word, Barry has scored 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

Wonderful from Ndyiae to set him up but he's away .........😊
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Charity FC strikes again. :LOL:

Twice in two weeks we've allowed strikers who score once a blue moon to get back on the score sheet.

forest were terrible - but I'm still perplexed as to how Tarky didn't get a yellow card for his off the ball incident on Ndoye.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Really comfortable win against Forest, they offered very little. Has Dyche changed the style or have they just lost the pacey players they used to have?

9 points from the last 4 games. Happy days 😊
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That was the first game we looked like prime Dyche Everton.

We've actually played some really nice attacking ball up to the last week or so....But we do have a mini-injury crisis currently which isn't helping things, so we're leggy and no urgency.

We go again...
 
Aztecs27 said:
Charity FC strikes again. :LOL:

Twice in two weeks we've allowed strikers who score once a blue moon to get back on the score sheet.

forest were terrible - but I'm still perplexed as to how Tarky didn't get a yellow card for his off the ball incident on Ndoye.
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They don't give yellows from VAR and the ref didn't see it. It wasn't a red so......
 
4LEX said:
That's a loaded question but ETH had already bombed him out and was acting in a spiteful way. Ronaldo wanted to leave in the summer of 2022 after Utd missed out on the CL, he was forced to stay. ETH had the choice to let him go and bottled it. There was then a poor 4-5 months where he used Ronaldo as a pawn to give himself power. It resulted in a really embarrassing interview for everyone but in hinsight, it was just a reflection on how badly the club was run.

Utd fans still sing Ronaldo songs, do they sing ETH songs? I rest my case ;)
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I’m guessing you also blame ETH for the heavy rain which often blights the city of Manchester, because you blame him for pretty much everything else. And I’ll bow to your obvious superior knowledge of what goes on, not only in the United dressing room, but also in the mind of every post Ferguson manager, especially Ten Hag, who you quite clearly despise.

All that said, you are missing by a considerable distance one of the guiding principles of any organisation with a managerial or rank structure. That being that, regardless of how much a subordinate dislikes a manager or supervisor, or disagrees with a decision, that subordinate should still, in public and before peers, respect that the person making the decision has the right to make it.

Once that subordinate, and regardless of Ronaldo’s wealth, experience and standing in the game that is precisely his position in relation to his manager, starts to very publicly question decisions and show open disrespect, you have chaos. And that is just what United have had for over a decade, because players like Pogba, Ronaldo and others have been either too stupid, or conniving, to accept their place in the pecking order.

I don’t give two hoots for Ronaldo’s stats. I’m not remotely interested in them. The moment he started sulking at being substituted, refusing (allegedly) to come on from the bench and, worst of all, giving that television interview to the pot stirring Piers Morgan, the club were absolutely right to show him the door.

Would I rather have a Manchester United with the likes of Ronaldo scoring goals but being the focal point for disharmony, setting the most appalling example to the likes of Jadon Sancho and Marcus Rashford? Or the United we have now, under yet another manager who you think is a clown, but who has jettisoned the trouble makers and now appears to have a unified squad? I’ll let you guess.

There will doubtless be players at the club who disagree with Amorim’s philosophy, and who don’t respect him as an individual. The key difference now is that there are no public displays of petulance, meaning that we lurch from one disaster to another, with players doing their dirty washing in front of 75,000 fans and millions more at home.

The club miss Ronaldo’s goals. They do not miss either his ego or the example he sets for those around him. And the same will go for Liverpool and Salah.
 
I guess it's already been discussed and I missed it, but the Salah social media is stuff is utterly embarrassing. Some of these players really do live in a bubble of their own ego, and don't understand that if you don't play well, you can get dropped. It doesn't matter what you did 18 months ago. Liverpool's best course of action now would be to flog him to Saudi in January while they still can.
 
Billysboots said:
I’m guessing you also blame ETH for the heavy rain which often blights the city of Manchester, because you blame him for pretty much everything else. And I’ll bow to your obvious superior knowledge of what goes on, not only in the United dressing room, but also in the mind of every post Ferguson manager, especially Ten Hag, who you quite clearly despise.

All that said, you are missing by a considerable distance one of the guiding principles of any organisation with a managerial or rank structure. That being that, regardless of how much a subordinate dislikes a manager or supervisor, or disagrees with a decision, that subordinate should still, in public and before peers, respect that the person making the decision has the right to make it.

Once that subordinate, and regardless of Ronaldo’s wealth, experience and standing in the game that is precisely his position in relation to his manager, starts to very publicly question decisions and show open disrespect, you have chaos. And that is just what United have had for over a decade, because players like Pogba, Ronaldo and others have been either too stupid, or conniving, to accept their place in the pecking order.

I don’t give two hoots for Ronaldo’s stats. I’m not remotely interested in them. The moment he started sulking at being substituted, refusing (allegedly) to come on from the bench and, worst of all, giving that television interview to the pot stirring Piers Morgan, the club were absolutely right to show him the door.

Would I rather have a Manchester United with the likes of Ronaldo scoring goals but being the focal point for disharmony, setting the most appalling example to the likes of Jadon Sancho and Marcus Rashford? Or the United we have now, under yet another manager who you think is a clown, but who has jettisoned the trouble makers and now appears to have a unified squad? I’ll let you guess.

There will doubtless be players at the club who disagree with Amorim’s philosophy, and who don’t respect him as an individual. The key difference now is that there are no public displays of petulance, meaning that we lurch from one disaster to another, with players doing their dirty washing in front of 75,000 fans and millions more at home.

The club miss Ronaldo’s goals. They do not miss either his ego or the example he sets for those around him. And the same will go for Liverpool and Salah.
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For me, I think everyone could have done better in handling this.

Ronaldo came in at probably the worst ever time. Really poor team, Ole gets sacked, and then we have a temporary manager who is clearly there to find out where the bad eggs are, was meant to be going to boardroom at the end of the season, before a permanent manager was brought in. No doubt many players consciously or sub consciously downed tools, uncertain where their futures lay, and maybe even expecting to be shown the door in the summer. Bad ingredients to have a strong finish to the season, and ended up not in Champions League.

However, once ETH was brought in, immediately everyone should have sat down and been clear where their thoughts lay. Did Ronaldo 100% want to leave to play Champions League? Was he happy to stay if the manager wanted him as a regular starter? And did ETH want him there or not? If he wanted him there, was it mainly as a squad player, who would have to play sparingly? Were the Club forcing their hands that they didn't want to sell him, putting Ronaldo and ETH in an awkward position because they were not on the same page? Ronaldo is such a huge player, and a major influence in and outside the dressing room, if ETH was not enthusiastic about having him as a first team player and/or Ronaldo was not happy to sit on the bench, the Club should have agreed very early to allow him to leave. Give him time to see if a Champions league club will come along, or ultimately leave for a big pay day in Saudi. Ronaldo could have then left with pretty much everyone's blessing, and appreciative for coming back for a season to bang in the goals.

I doubt ETH is to blame that much. There woild have been no value in him lying to Ronaldo or not even speaking to him. I'm sure he was as clear as he could be when he came in, and probably not too worried if he had been sold or not, but simply saw him as a squad player (maybe saw him as a glorified Jonny Evans for the forwards, lots of experience and could help the younger guys). I suspect the Club put the pressure on because they wanted him to stay, Ronaldo just became more frustrated, and the summer transfer window ended and we were stuck with it.
 
Orikoru said:
I guess it's already been discussed and I missed it, but the Salah social media is stuff is utterly embarrassing. Some of these players really do live in a bubble of their own ego, and don't understand that if you don't play well, you can get dropped. It doesn't matter what you did 18 months ago. Liverpool's best course of action now would be to flog him to Saudi in January while they still can.
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I dont think using the word "flog" in relation to "Saudi Arabia" is perhaps appropriate... :ROFLMAO:
 
Reports on sky sports that Salah will not be in the Liverpool squad for the match against Inter.
I hope that’s Slot saying we are in this together and the team respond.
Certainly the future is not Salah and if the club can get a few quid for him then great
 
Couple of things. Re Ronaldo, who on earth thought it a good idea for Ronaldo to be interviewed by Piers Morgan who is a known die hard Arseole, and known Arsenal fan. It’s beyond me. Maybe do the interview but not with him.
Talking of Arsenal, watching that video where they are chucking themselves on the ground. There’s a lot of negativity going on there with an expectation that “ we should not of lost”. That could well be their downfall. I would imagine if that was City one or two words would be said in the changing room. Looked like a gaggle of sulking teenagers to me, just like watching Kevin and Perry.
Mint video though for the neutrals 😂👍
 
Swango1980 said:
Yes, and that part of the rule is a joke, and has been discussed a lot in here.

But, as the rule is, accidental handball isnt a free kick if that player doesn't score just after that incident, but it is a free kick if that player does score

Thus, no free kick was given and why VAR rightly didnt intervene after the goal.
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The same player did score though.
Not directly but three seconds later.

The handball rule is a joke atm .
 
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