Slime
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Surely it's up to the players to get the fans to play their part, not the other way round.
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Plenty are. I know folk who go hone and away. Wembley is sadly now too much of "an event." Several Premier League grounds suffer from the same malaise.
I remember going to Anfield, Old Trafford etc the 80s. They are all dead quiet now "by comparison. "
Swango1980
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Short of smashing into challenges, that would be difficult for many nations like N Ireland. The football is often not pretty (thankfully not the case tonight, so far)
I think they feed each other. Obviously if a side play well below their standard, fans can get downhearted I suppose. But, it is also easy for players to hit bad spells, lose momentum, have bad luck etc despite trying their hardest. That is when it can make a huge difference if the fans bellow out their enthusiastic support. Which, BTW, can also spook the opponents a little
Pin-seeker
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It was a friendly.
If Chelsea,City,Arsenal,Man Utd…..
Beat a championship side (which is what Wales are) 3-0 in a friendly,would that be ok?
it’s not as if the likes of France,Spain,Germany, & Italy
Turn up playing like peak Brazil every game.
Maybe a reality check is needed.
If Chelsea,City,Arsenal,Man Utd…..
Beat a championship side (which is what Wales are) 3-0 in a friendly,would that be ok?
it’s not as if the likes of France,Spain,Germany, & Italy
Turn up playing like peak Brazil every game.
Maybe a reality check is needed.
4LEX
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Wales switched from the Millenium to Cardiff's ground due to the empty seats and poor atmosphere. I think Scotland went on the road for a while when they were bad for the same reasons. It's only in the last 3-4 years Scotland have improved and started selling out Hampden more often.
England's away support is miles better than any other national team IMO. Both normal aways and at major tournaments. It's a different type of fan that travels though, more passionate. You're definitely spot on about when England go on the road, locals tend to turn up and back the team more. The best atmosphere I've ever experienced at an England home game was at Sunderland against Turkey. Amazing night that was!
Swango1980
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I have to disagree about the away fans being better. Not saying they don't have a lot of great away fans either.
Going away with Northern Irish fans is like nothing I have witnessed before. The atmosphere is incredible, from when they arrive in the country, until when they get home. They have fantastic banter with opposition fans, and it always ends up in hugs and hand shakes rather than fists and thrown tables.
I had an English mate who went to see England away last year, he is the one guy I know who travels. He said loads of England fans travel, and simply go to fight each other. Not even to fight the home national fans. We've had a few English buddies come on Northern Ireland trips, and it is safe to say they are in awe of how we support our team, and how we embrace every second we are away.
So, I don't disagree about England having lots of great, passionate and good natured away fans. But, if we are talking generally, I would strongly disagree that they are the "best in the world"
Slime
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Arthur Wedge
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This would be very amusing
Lucifer MorningStar
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If that’s true then he’s completely lost the plot! Going from Nuno who had them ticking and a definitive style, to Ange who also has a style (losing easily) to Dyche and his brand of try not to lose and nick it!
This would be very amusing
Would seem to be taking things backwards not progressing the team if that’s true. There’s got to be better options than Dyche!
venger
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Maybe that’s why gerrard has turned rangers down, he’s waiting for his turn as forest manager
Lucifer MorningStar
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Could be and couldn’t be worse than Ange. The Nuno decision is definitely backfiring on Forest at the moment.
Arthur Wedge
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It’s a real shame that countries scoring records are being held half decent players now all because of the increase of International friendlies and qualifiers against smaller nations
Holland have players like Cruyff , Van Basten , RVN in their history and yet it’s Depay who will hold their record
I think goals per game would be a better measure but set a qualifying criteria that it must be 20+ games. Pointless having a ratio if someone scored 4 goals in 4 games but never played again.
Pin-seeker
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Agreed,but Depays goals per game is on par with the other top scorers for Holland.
Arthur Wedge
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Issue is that there is a good amount of small countries where players can just feast on goals
Looking at Depays record
He has 4/5 goals against what you would class as top class opposition- ie Spain , Germany , France etc
Ok, what’s a better way to measure them? Bear in mind, if you start to give points per goal based on which country they were scored against it becomes a subjective not definitive metric…
I think it becomes subjective whatever. Do people actually think Depay is a better striker than Van Basten or RVN? The numbers alone don't tell the whole story, only part of it. It's why we shouldn't get overly excited by some of the statistics that get thrown out now. Caps won, goals scored, the numbers are different now to previous times
Swango1980
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Yeah, Cruyff really was up against it when facing really difficult opponents in his national career
He played against Finland twice, easy wins for Netherlands. Beat Iceland 13-1 over 2 games. Beat Norway 9-0, Greece away 5-0. Beat Luxembourg 6-0 and 8-0 in 1971. Lots of other games Netherlands scored 3 or 4 goals
There were awful international sides in the past as well. In fact, many were even worse than they are now. Coaching is better, players are fitter now, so many poor sides can at least now have some structure and organisation.
Perhaps it is simply international sides play more games now, and/or players can stay fitter these days.
In Cruyff's era, I don't think there were subs? So, if he played, at least he should get 90 minutes. These days, there is a good chance top players will get benched when the game is won, to rest them. So, they may lose out on scoring a few more goals at the end of games.
