The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

Damn, I read your post and it has brought me sadness that there is another international break already. Ridiculous. Only the 7th game of the league season tomorrow and two international breaks already? Bore off.

I think Bellingham has been injured, he wasn't in the previous squad either. I'd have had Grealish straight back in, I think he brings something very different to any other player. Interesting to see Quansah and Loftus-Cheek involved, both playing abroad so I've no idea how they're doing. On that basis though, Tomori still not getting a look-in.

Or Wharton?

I think Bellingham is fit again.

Thankfully I've a weekend in London on international week (watching the American football, that I know nothing about, at Spurs stadium), so I won't actually care I'm missing any football.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Full England squad​

Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), James Trafford (Manchester City)

Defenders: Dan Burn (Newcastle United), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace), Reece James (Chelsea), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Myles Lewis-Skelly (Arsenal), Jarell Quansah (Bayer Leverkusen), Djed Spence (Tottenham Hotspur), John Stones (Manchester City)

Midfielders: Elliot Anderson (Nottingham Forest), Morgan Gibbs-White (Nottingham Forest), Jordan Henderson (Brentford), Ruben Loftus-Cheek (AC Milan), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Morgan Rogers (Aston Villa)

Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham United), Eberechi Eze (Arsenal), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle United), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Marcus Rashford (Barcelona, loan from Manchester United), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Or Wharton?

I think Bellingham is fit again.

Thankfully I've a weekend in London on international week (watching the American football, that I know nothing about, at Spurs stadium), so I won't actually care I'm missing any football.

Bellingham has apparently played only one game. Let him come back gradually, build his fitness up. No need to rush him back.

 

[Aztecs27]

I kept telling you guys Ange was terrible.

Aye. Apologies for dismissing it.

Like I said, I was willing to give him a chance. Spurs have a track record of making good managers look terrible AND he came in with bad timing and deserved a few weeks to get things ticking.

But as I watched him stand there, the minutes ticking down, not even thinking of making a substitution, whilst we're chasing an equaliser....was unforgivable.

I think the Big Greek needs to swallow his pride, admit he made a massive mistake and right the wrong before it's too late. If he does it now, whoever comes in will have the international break to at least settle with the core squad. It's drastic, but needs must.

 

[Orikoru]

Aye. Apologies for dismissing it.

Like I said, I was willing to give him a chance. Spurs have a track record of making good managers look terrible AND he came in with bad timing and deserved a few weeks to get things ticking.

But as I watched him stand there, the minutes ticking down, not even thinking of making a substitution, whilst we're chasing an equaliser....was unforgivable.

I think the Big Greek needs to swallow his pride, admit he made a massive mistake and right the wrong before it's too late. If he does it now, whoever comes in will have the international break to at least settle with the core squad. It's drastic, but needs must.

I saw an interview with Ange after last night's game, and he genuinely looked dejected, like he'd been in the job a lot longer. Maybe he's just now realising he's not as good as he thought he was. The funny thing is, all the Spurs players seemed to love him, from what we hear, he never lost the dressing room - he was literally just tactically inept. Great bloke, crap manager.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Aye. Apologies for dismissing it.

Like I said, I was willing to give him a chance. Spurs have a track record of making good managers look terrible AND he came in with bad timing and deserved a few weeks to get things ticking.

But as I watched him stand there, the minutes ticking down, not even thinking of making a substitution, whilst we're chasing an equaliser....was unforgivable.

I think the Big Greek needs to swallow his pride, admit he made a massive mistake and right the wrong before it's too late. If he does it now, whoever comes in will have the international break to at least settle with the core squad. It's drastic, but needs must.

But you havent, regardless of what you think of the 3 games he has been there.
Just remember the saying "be careful what you wish for....."

 

[Aztecs27]

But you havent, regardless of what you think of the 3 games he has been there.
Just remember the saying "be careful what you wish for....."

I'm not one for knee jerk reactions AT ALL....but in my 35 years as a forest fan, it's never felt like this. How do you go 90 minutes with one single like for like substitution, when they've made 5 and we're trying to chase a game and the current personnel and setup wasn't working?...og and you've also got a league game against decent opposition, away from home, in two days time. If it's because he's not bothering with the league, like he decided with Tottenham last season and we're concentrating on winning the Europa League - then we're in big trouble because the 11 players who started last weekend against Sunderland are nowhere near good enough to start and play the majority of the game against Newcastle's starting XI. Repeat that every week and we'll 100% go down.

If he's planning on starting Anderson, Gibbs White, Callum Hudson-Odoi...they all played 90 mins and did A LOT of running last night. They're going to get absolutely over run by Newcastle's midfield. And don't get me started on his zonal marking tactics for set pieces - which clearly doesn't work because we've conceded more goals than any other PL club since him arriving....with the same unit that was one of the stingiest for goals allowed last season

it's become obvious things will not improve - because we'd have seen consistent improvement since game 1 against Arsenal. We saw some improvement - but it seems to have stopped and we're being overrun by teams we should, at the very least, be competing with (it's been 6 games, for clarification). The Danes had a game on Monday night and looked more like a premier league team than we did.

Nuno HAD to go, due to the circumstances surrounding his comments and whatever had gone on, but the Ange appointment is now obviously a huge, huge mistake.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The right manager for the club and the players was Nuno

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1973873913211031760

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I'm not one for knee jerk reactions AT ALL....but in my 35 years as a forest fan, it's never felt like this. How do you go 90 minutes with one single like for like substitution, when they've made 5 and we're trying to chase a game and the current personnel and setup wasn't working?...og and you've also got a league game against decent opposition, away from home, in two days time. If it's because he's not bothering with the league, like he decided with Tottenham last season and we're concentrating on winning the Europa League - then we're in big trouble because the 11 players who started last weekend against Sunderland are nowhere near good enough to start and play the majority of the game against Newcastle's starting XI. Repeat that every week and we'll 100% go down.

If he's planning on starting Anderson, Gibbs White, Callum Hudson-Odoi...they all played 90 mins and did A LOT of running last night. They're going to get absolutely over run by Newcastle's midfield. And don't get me started on his zonal marking tactics for set pieces - which clearly doesn't work because we've conceded more goals than any other PL club since him arriving....with the same unit that was one of the stingiest for goals allowed last season

it's become obvious things will not improve - because we'd have seen consistent improvement since game 1 against Arsenal. We saw some improvement - but it seems to have stopped and we're being overrun by teams we should, at the very least, be competing with (it's been 6 games, for clarification). The Danes had a game on Monday night and looked more like a premier league team than we did.

Nuno HAD to go, due to the circumstances surrounding his comments and whatever had gone on, but the Ange appointment is now obviously a huge, huge mistake.

But you havent given him any time at all.
What does getting rid of him so soon say to any other manager?
What I find even more strange, is that the Forest fans were all complaining about the "big 6" etc and how hard done by you are, yet here you are acting like spoilt brats at a back street alley club.
Every new manager takes time, and most clubs know that and accept that. Perhaps Forest need to accept that as well.

 

[Orikoru]

I'm not one for knee jerk reactions AT ALL....but in my 35 years as a forest fan, it's never felt like this. How do you go 90 minutes with one single like for like substitution, when they've made 5 and we're trying to chase a game and the current personnel and setup wasn't working?...og and you've also got a league game against decent opposition, away from home, in two days time. If it's because he's not bothering with the league, like he decided with Tottenham last season and we're concentrating on winning the Europa League - then we're in big trouble because the 11 players who started last weekend against Sunderland are nowhere near good enough to start and play the majority of the game against Newcastle's starting XI. Repeat that every week and we'll 100% go down.

If he's planning on starting Anderson, Gibbs White, Callum Hudson-Odoi...they all played 90 mins and did A LOT of running last night. They're going to get absolutely over run by Newcastle's midfield. And don't get me started on his zonal marking tactics for set pieces - which clearly doesn't work because we've conceded more goals than any other PL club since him arriving....with the same unit that was one of the stingiest for goals allowed last season

it's become obvious things will not improve - because we'd have seen consistent improvement since game 1 against Arsenal. We saw some improvement - but it seems to have stopped and we're being overrun by teams we should, at the very least, be competing with (it's been 6 games, for clarification). The Danes had a game on Monday night and looked more like a premier league team than we did.

Nuno HAD to go, due to the circumstances surrounding his comments and whatever had gone on, but the Ange appointment is now obviously a huge, huge mistake.

Ange has got used to not making subs because usually he only has 12 and a half players left who aren't injured.

 

[Aztecs27]

But you havent given him any time at all.
What does getting rid of him so soon say to any other manager?
What I find even more strange, is that the Forest fans were all complaining about the "big 6" etc and how hard done by you are, yet here you are acting like spoilt brats at a back street alley club.
Every new manager takes time, and most clubs know that and accept that. Perhaps Forest need to accept that as well.

I do agree with this....but I was willing to let what he did at spurs ride and see whether he'd function differently under different circumstances - but EVERYTHING that Spurs fans warned us about is coming to fruition. Take Murillo for instance - looks like he's rushed him back from injury and he was subbed off after 20 minutes last night and seemingly even more badly injured now.....I seem to remember that happening with more than one Spurs defender last season.

Forest fans are a lot of things, but I can assure you, impatient is NOT one of them. We are very understanding when it comes to managerial appointments, even ones we don't want.

No one wanted Cooper - but he built up some credit by grinding out some results early doors until the team was fully settled.

No one wanted Nuno - but he built up credit after a few losses early on, by getting a statement win away at Newcastle and built from there.

Both appointments were mid-season and they both started getting results relatively quickly to help get the fans onside.

We know new managers take time - but how much time do you give him? In 6 games, he's given us nothing to build any hope, outside of 30 minutes of good looking football against Betis who didn't press us once. Get in our faces, and it all falls apart, just like it did against Swansea and just like it did last night.

We'll be in the bottom 3 at the end of the weekend, mark my words. And it's not like there's 3 awful clubs that are guaranteed to go down this season. All 3 look like they can win a few games...

If you leave it too long and we carry on winless, we'll be out of the Europa League and too far adrift in the league for anyone else they bring in to make up the gap.

We have the most expensive squad in the Europa League - even without his tactics fully implemented - we should still have enough strength to get *something* from a Danish Superleague team who had a game 48 hours earlier and had to travel away - or even something against a mid-table Championship side. But we looked devoid of ANYTHING last night. No creativity, no ideas, players not really knowing where they need to be and might as well not defend set pieces because they looked like scoring on just about every single one.

We've had some awful managerial appointments in the last 25 years, but Ange is right up there with Steve Maclaren, Big Ron Atkinson and Alex Mcleish. The very worst of times.

He'll have two weeks to train with the core squad before the game against Chelsea, at home. If we lose Sunday and then don't get something against Chelsea, it'll be very, very toxic at the City Ground come full time.

 

[Bazz]

I do agree with this....but I was willing to let what he did at spurs ride and see whether he'd function differently under different circumstances - but EVERYTHING that Spurs fans warned us about is coming to fruition. Take Murillo for instance - looks like he's rushed him back from injury and he was subbed off after 20 minutes last night and seemingly even more badly injured now.....I seem to remember that happening with more than one Spurs defender last season.

Forest fans are a lot of things, but I can assure you, impatient is NOT one of them. We are very understanding when it comes to managerial appointments, even ones we don't want.

No one wanted Cooper - but he built up some credit by grinding out some results early doors until the team was fully settled.

No one wanted Nuno - but he built up credit after a few losses early on, by getting a statement win away at Newcastle and built from there.

Both appointments were mid-season and they both started getting results relatively quickly to help get the fans onside.

We know new managers take time - but how much time do you give him? In 6 games, he's given us nothing to build any hope, outside of 30 minutes of good looking football against Betis who didn't press us once. Get in our faces, and it all falls apart, just like it did against Swansea and just like it did last night.

We'll be in the bottom 3 at the end of the weekend, mark my words. And it's not like there's 3 awful clubs that are guaranteed to go down this season. All 3 look like they can win a few games...

If you leave it too long and we carry on winless, we'll be out of the Europa League and too far adrift in the league for anyone else they bring in to make up the gap.

We have the most expensive squad in the Europa League - even without his tactics fully implemented - we should still have enough strength to get *something* from a Danish Superleague team who had a game 48 hours earlier and had to travel away - or even something against a mid-table Championship side. But we looked devoid of ANYTHING last night. No creativity, no ideas, players not really knowing where they need to be and might as well not defend set pieces because they looked like scoring on just about every single one.

We've had some awful managerial appointments in the last 25 years, but Ange is right up there with Steve Maclaren, Big Ron Atkinson and Alex Mcleish. The very worst of times.

He'll have two weeks to train with the core squad before the game against Chelsea, at home. If we lose Sunday and then don't get something against Chelsea, it'll be very, very toxic at the City Ground come full time.

How much of that vitriol would be directed at the owner? A lot of Forest seem to think he can do as he likes but should he be getting more stick?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Slot is starting to give Artete a run for his money.
Getting in the officials faces & basically just chatting

 

[Arthur Wedge]

How much of that vitriol would be directed at the owner? A lot of Forest seem to think he can do as he likes but should he be getting more stick?

Based on where the club has come from to where it is now i suspect he gets a free ride for a while

But the last 6 weeks imo is a consequence of an owner being too involved in the playing side

 

[Tashyboy]

Aye. Apologies for dismissing it.

Like I said, I was willing to give him a chance. Spurs have a track record of making good managers look terrible AND he came in with bad timing and deserved a few weeks to get things ticking.

But as I watched him stand there, the minutes ticking down, not even thinking of making a substitution, whilst we're chasing an equaliser....was unforgivable.

I think the Big Greek needs to swallow his pride, admit he made a massive mistake and right the wrong before it's too late. If he does it now, whoever comes in will have the international break to at least settle with the core squad. It's drastic, but needs must.

If he swallows much more he will be bigger than an elephant.

 

[nickjdavis]

Just seen a post on FB about Carl H R of Bayern saying, basically, there is far to much money in the champions league and BM cannot compete v teams owned by countries. I agree. There is too much money in football, and I , for one, cannot relate to the players anymore. Also,whilst I'm on, I was told Sky don't care about people paying subscriptions now, as the majority on their income come from advertising. No wonder they quickly back down at renewal time. They only need people to be signed up to prove to advertiser's they have the viewing figures.

CHR is an ass with an overinflated self importance.

Called Newcastle fools for paying what they did for Woltemade. He was just pissed off that another team met Stuttgarts £££ demands when BM wouldnt.

There is a certain irony about Bayern complaining about excessive money when they dominate German football due to...........having by far the most amount of money. It's okay when it suits them

CHR back in 2017/8? called for the removal of the 50+1 rule in German football which dictates that the club itself must control 50% of the shares plus 1, That rule is in place to restrict the influence of "outside investors" and aims to stop a single external investor gaining control of a club.....basically he wants to get Bayern's noses in the same trough as Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle, PSG etc etc.

Hypocrite.

 

[nickjdavis]

I do agree with this....but I was willing to let what he did at spurs ride and see whether he'd function differently under different circumstances - but EVERYTHING that Spurs fans warned us about is coming to fruition. Take Murillo for instance - looks like he's rushed him back from injury and he was subbed off after 20 minutes last night and seemingly even more badly injured now.....I seem to remember that happening with more than one Spurs defender last season......

.....He'll have two weeks to train with the core squad before the game against Chelsea, at home. If we lose Sunday and then don't get something against Chelsea, it'll be very, very toxic at the City Ground come full time.

can we have Elliott Anderson back please if it all goes tits up?

 

[clubchamp98]

Game of two halves there in Bournemouth.

Cracking second half and some great goals.

 

[nickjdavis]

Game of two halves there in Bournemouth.

Cracking second half and some great goals.

must admit...the first half was one of the worst I've seen this season....turned off....obviously missed a great last half hour!!!