The Footie Thread

[RichA]

She always says she's committed to women's football but I'd still love to see what Sarina Wiegman could do with a Premier League team.
She's been excellent at bringing players back in from the cold for England.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Mourinho is now available

So is Ole

100% win rate in the league with Besiktas this season & they sacked him.

 

[Billysboots]

Regards to better managers in lower divisions. Yes, they can't spend money and work with what they have. But that methodology wouldn't necessarily work well at a club like Man Utd, as they'd more easily get torn apart by elite opponents. You could say Amorim and ETH were fantastic managers in lower divisions (given Dutch and Portuguese leagues a level or 2 below PL)

I’m sure David Moyes went public a year or so ago, accepting the United job was way bigger than he expected, and perhaps too big for him. And he’d managed one of the bigger clubs in the Premier League with comparative success.

 

[Don Barzini]

Mourinho is now available

Mourinho to West Ham, if Potter gets the chop soon?

Was listening to a Forest podcast this morning and they had a West Ham fan on. He was saying West Ham would only appoint someone who is out of work, they wouldn't pay compensation for anyone. Sean Dyche was mentioned.

Mourinho did say a couple of years back that he wanted a return to English football, but not with a "top" club. He wanted a club fighting relegation......

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Man Utd need a huge change and maybe it’s also a change in attitude

They aren’t the Man Utd that was under Ferguson, they are the Liverpool of the 90’s

Bringing in an unproven manager won’t get them anywhere imo , the job is far too big for Amorin when he hasn’t really proven himself outside the Portuguese league

Turning the noses up at Southgate is part of the issue

Yep he didn’t go well at Boro but stepped into one of the highest pressured job in England and moved the team forward , he is safe , solid and whilst that hampered him just getting over the line he took England further that many established managers had , he got players playing better , he adjusted his tactics to get results

Amorin imo is looking like a complete shocker of an appointment, there has been no improvements of players since he arrived , very little steps forward and he has prob gone backwards from ETH

Any decent manager who comes in improves things , looks at the players he has and adjusts tactics to fit the players until he can build his own team

It’s exactly what Klopp did , adjusted and then built , you could see the improvements being made ,

If it’s not Southgate because he isn’t “glamourous” enough then managers like - Howe , Silva , Iraoni , Glasner , Frank , Hurzeler have all gone into clubs and improved things

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Shame. He could light up one of the middling Premier League sides.
Probably why they've said no.

He would be playing for most of the prem clubs - no idea why he isn’t playing for Man Utd more

 

[Billysboots]

She always says she's committed to women's football but I'd still love to see what Sarina Wiegman could do with a Premier League team.
She's been excellent at bringing players back in from the cold for England.

You tease .

Seriously, though, as good a job as she’s done with the England women, that strikes me as similar to suggesting my milkman should have a stab at being an F1 driver because he’s got thousands of incident free miles on the road under his belt.

 

[irip]

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Mourinho to West Ham, if Potter gets the chop soon?

Was listening to a Forest podcast this morning and they had a West Ham fan on. He was saying West Ham would only appoint someone who is out of work, they wouldn't pay compensation for anyone. Sean Dyche was mentioned.

Mourinho did say a couple of years back that he wanted a return to English football, but not with a "top" club. He wanted a club fighting relegation......

He is nailed on to be your next manager.
Nuno out during the international break Jose in. I reckon it’s already a done deal.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

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Mourinho to West Ham, if Potter gets the chop soon?

Was listening to a Forest podcast this morning and they had a West Ham fan on. He was saying West Ham would only appoint someone who is out of work, they wouldn't pay compensation for anyone. Sean Dyche was mentioned.

Mourinho did say a couple of years back that he wanted a return to English football, but not with a "top" club. He wanted a club fighting relegation......

Mourinho has been buying teams for years. Not sure how that fits at West Ham.

Add to that his teams are turgid. West Ham got rid of Moyes due to style of play, how does Mourinho flip that?

I understand the link but if I was a West Ham fan I would be horrified at that link. He usually leaves a trail of destruction at a club after leaving.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I’m sure David Moyes went public a year or so ago, accepting the United job was way bigger than he expected, and perhaps too big for him. And he’d managed one of the bigger clubs in the Premier League with comparative success.

Issue with Moyes was taking over from Ferguson and being left with a squad that was right at the end - needed a lot of work

 

[Billysboots]

Issue with Moyes was taking over from Ferguson and being left with a squad that was right at the end - needed a lot of work

I always said the best time to come in would be after the first post-Ferguson manager had moved on. It was almost as though Moyes was a bit of a sacrificial lamb.

Bottom line, the club has spent way too long resting on its laurels, being blissfully unaware that the elite football world around them was evolving, and that they needed to adapt with it. Just because United had enjoyed two decades of success did not mean it would simply continue as some sort of divine right.

Sadly, those (not actually) at the helm simply weren’t bothered, providing the tills kept ringing. The club became a crumbling wreck, and the only thought given seemed to be that a change in manager would bring back the good old days, whilst totally ignoring the fact that the foundations had given way.

This is about way more than who wears the tracksuit in the dugout. Always has been.

 

[Hobbit]

Utd are one win off 4th. Is it a little early to be pressing the panic button?

Grimsby started with their A team, were backed by a very vocal crowd and the energy flowed. They ran themselves, almost, into the ground. Hell, one of their CB’s got cramp in the 60th minute. Utd started with a team predominantly made up of kids, with a few regulars. Grimsby defended the last 25 minutes like their lives depended on it.

With better finishing we’d be talking about the scare Grimsby gave Utd, not the loss. But that doesn’t hide the cracks. The keeper will cost Utd 3 matches, minimum this year. You couldn’t even get two pages of the Manchester Evening News under his feet when he jumps - he’s dire. That’s, potentially, 9 points. The odd defender will cost them some points too. Easily 15 points down by the end of the season. That won’t get CL.

Amorim is rightly or wrongly being blamed for team selection, tactics & inflexibility. But what if that’s the best team he can put out and they’re not capable of playing the system they need to play. Sacking a manager because he can’t make a wedding cake out of crap flour and sour milk isn’t the right answer. Too much dross has been bought in on crazy contracts. The recruitment dept is the major issue.

I’m interested to see how the current line up will fair through to the next window, rinse & repeat.

 

[RichA]

You tease .

Seriously, though, as good a job as she’s done with the England women, that strikes me as similar to suggesting my milkman should have a stab at being an F1 driver because he’s got thousands of incident free miles on the road under his belt.

She's had a more distinguished playing and management career than Wenger had, prior to his becoming one of the most successful managers of the Premier League era.
The milkman analogy hasn't been used on any of the recent male Man Utd managerial flops.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Utd are one win off 4th. Is it a little early to be pressing the panic button?

Grimsby started with their A team, were backed by a very vocal crowd and the energy flowed. They ran themselves, almost, into the ground. Hell, one of their CB’s got cramp in the 60th minute. Utd started with a team predominantly made up of kids, with a few regulars. Grimsby defended the last 25 minutes like their lives depended on it.

With better finishing we’d be talking about the scare Grimsby gave Utd, not the loss. But that doesn’t hide the cracks. The keeper will cost Utd 3 matches, minimum this year. You couldn’t even get two pages of the Manchester Evening News under his feet when he jumps - he’s dire. That’s, potentially, 9 points. The odd defender will cost them some points too. Easily 15 points down by the end of the season. That won’t get CL.

Amorim is rightly or wrongly being blamed for team selection, tactics & inflexibility. But what if that’s the best team he can put out and they’re not capable of playing the system they need to play. Sacking a manager because he can’t make a wedding cake out of crap flour and sour milk isn’t the right answer. Too much dross has been bought in on crazy contracts. The recruitment dept is the major issue.

I’m interested to see how the current line up will fair through to the next window, rinse & repeat.

Don’t think people are judging just on the first three games , it’s also including the games since November , he has been there for nearly 50 games and his record is the worst of any manager in modern times - he has lost more games than he has won , it’s an appalling record

The players he has aren’t bad players , they may not be the players that will win titles but they should be up with the Newcastle’s and Villas etc

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I always said the best time to come in would be after the first post-Ferguson manager had moved on. It was almost as though Moyes was a bit of a sacrificial lamb.

Bottom line, the club has spent way too long resting on its laurels, being blissfully unaware that the elite football world around them was evolving, and that they needed to adapt with it. Just because United had enjoyed two decades of success did not mean it would simply continue as some sort of divine right.

Sadly, those (not actually) at the helm simply weren’t bothered, providing the tills kept ringing. The club became a crumbling wreck, and the only thought given seemed to be that a change in manager would bring back the good old days, whilst totally ignoring the fact that the foundations had given way.

This is about way more than who wears the tracksuit in the dugout. Always has been.

How can you bring such common sense to this debate?

 

[Orikoru]

Utd are one win off 4th. Is it a little early to be pressing the panic button?

Is this assuming that nobody else between 4th and 15th wins??

 

[Pin-seeker]

Utd are one win off 4th. Is it a little early to be pressing the panic button?

Grimsby started with their A team, were backed by a very vocal crowd and the energy flowed. They ran themselves, almost, into the ground. Hell, one of their CB’s got cramp in the 60th minute. Utd started with a team predominantly made up of kids, with a few regulars. Grimsby defended the last 25 minutes like their lives depended on it.

With better finishing we’d be talking about the scare Grimsby gave Utd, not the loss. But that doesn’t hide the cracks. The keeper will cost Utd 3 matches, minimum this year. You couldn’t even get two pages of the Manchester Evening News under his feet when he jumps - he’s dire. That’s, potentially, 9 points. The odd defender will cost them some points too. Easily 15 points down by the end of the season. That won’t get CL.

Amorim is rightly or wrongly being blamed for team selection, tactics & inflexibility. But what if that’s the best team he can put out and they’re not capable of playing the system they need to play. Sacking a manager because he can’t make a wedding cake out of crap flour and sour milk isn’t the right answer. Too much dross has been bought in on crazy contracts. The recruitment dept is the major issue.

I’m interested to see how the current line up will fair through to the next window, rinse & repeat.

That’s one way of looking at it

 

[Billysboots]

She's had a more distinguished playing and management career than Wenger had, prior to his becoming one of the most successful managers of the Premier League era.
The milkman analogy hasn't been used on any of the recent male Man Utd managerial flops.

Come on, Rich. We’re talking women’s football and Premier League. The gulf is absolutely vast. Way, way bigger than Sporting Lisbon or Ajax to Manchester United.

I absolutely get that she has done a fantastic job in her current role. But any thought of her managing at Premier League level, even a hypothetical one, is stretching it.

 

[Billysboots]

How can you bring such common sense to this debate?

Can’t help it once in a while

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I always said the best time to come in would be after the first post-Ferguson manager had moved on. It was almost as though Moyes was a bit of a sacrificial lamb.

Bottom line, the club has spent way too long resting on its laurels, being blissfully unaware that the elite football world around them was evolving, and that they needed to adapt with it. Just because United had enjoyed two decades of success did not mean it would simply continue as some sort of divine right.

Sadly, those (not actually) at the helm simply weren’t bothered, providing the tills kept ringing. The club became a crumbling wreck, and the only thought given seemed to be that a change in manager would bring back the good old days, whilst totally ignoring the fact that the foundations had given way.

This is about way more than who wears the tracksuit in the dugout. Always has been.

As well as losing Ferguson one of the biggest issues that the club faced was having Woodward being the man above doing the hiring and firing and the one saying yes on players etc- he was a lawyer with very little football expertise just picking names

There was an article a while back and it focused on Ralf Rangnick who came in to help but was due to move upstairs , he put out his plan and highlighted the players that the club should buy

The likes of Enzo , Gvardiol , Laimer , Haaland , Diaz

It looked like he was going to be the DoF and then look at who the manager is but it all changed because of looking at the Austrian job