Arthur Wedge
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He looks a very good player - he can come to Liverpool next season
Or maybe a swap plus money for Elliot
He looks a very good player - he can come to Liverpool next season
Or maybe a swap plus money for Elliot
I don't understand why Newcastle don't get the Wissa deal over the line. 19 PL goals last season, in his prime at 28. Cheaper than the others they have been bidding on, no one else is going for him. Get him, along with Elanga, Ramsdale and a CB, good window.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
at least Forest have submitted a bid.
Shocking behaviour - a bigger club going on and ripping away a smaller clubs talent
Saw an interesting piece on the BBC website about how Utd have agreed terms with each signing this summer before putting a bid in
. How on earth?nickjdavis
Head Pro
i think the word is CAN'T.
They seem utterly devoid of any ability to close a deal at the moment.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Its because they are scared of public rejection...would look bad for their image...a bit like being too scared to walk across the school playground to ask a girl if she'd like to go out with you in front of all your (and her) mates.Saw an interesting piece on the BBC website about how Utd have agreed terms with each signing this summer before putting a bid in
Corporate Cowardice basically.
Aztecs27
Money List Winner
It's pretty straight forward.Saw an interesting piece on the BBC website about how Utd have agreed terms with each signing this summer before putting a bid in
United: Hi Wolves, we really like the look of Matheus Cunha and will pay handsomely, we OK to speak to him to see if he fancies it?
Wolves: Sure. We obviously would love to keep him, but understand that you'll probably be able to pay him more and he may want to move on and we can benefit from the profit to re-invest.
United: thanks! I'll get our team to reach out to him and his agent and see if he's keen based on what we want to offer him.
Wolves: Great, if he is, come back and we can discuss fees.
United: sounds like a plan.
Or if you're Tottenham;
Spurs: Hey Morgan Gibbs-White's agent, you reckon Morgan will fancy coming to spurs? We'll pay him £150k a week on a 4 year deal.
Morgan's Agent: This would be a massive pay day for me, so obviously I want him to move to spurs!
Spurs: Great! We'll stick a bid in. probably around £80m
Morgan's Agent: Don't be silly, you don't need to do that. He has a release clause at £60m.
Spurs: Oh even better! We'll just submit this out of the blue then - and see if Forest will let us pay in klarna instalments and it won't look at all suspicious that we just so happen to bid the exact release clause figure that no one was supposed to know about.
Morgan's agent: Yea, I'm sure that'll be fine. Mum's the word though, remember!
Spurs: Yep, no worries! Shall we get a medical booked
Morgan's agent: yep, book it in for tomorrow morning.
Spurs: Will do! I'm sure Forest will be totally on board with all this.
Aztecs27
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To be fair, Forest are keen on him, but Brentford hate us after we wouldn't sell them Brennan Johnson for pennies and he's keener on Newcastle.
does seem bonkers that they can't get it done though, since he's actively trying to move away as well.
It's the absolute definition of tapping up though. I think we all know that clubs speak to players / agents before bidding but as long as that is exploratory I think that is realistic and okay. To fully negotiate terms with a player before even bidding, that's a step up.
What would the PL definition of tapping up be now or have they just given up?
Arthur Wedge
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It’s all down to agentsSaw an interesting piece on the BBC website about how Utd have agreed terms with each signing this summer before putting a bid in
Swango1980
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Is it tapping up?
I don't know the sequential events of all things, and what is and isn't allowed.
However, the club that owns the player has obviously not given out a message in this case that the player will not be sold under any circumstances. They will be willing to listen to offers, and maybe even accept an offer if it suits them. Perhaps they are already talking to other clubs as well, maybe accepted or considering other offers. At this point, the club that owns the player may well give permission for that player to agree personal terms with the other club(s), just in case a deal is reached between both clubs. After all, it is also in the selling clubs interest for the player to be poised and ready to move away from the club as soon a deal is reached between clubs. It makes less sense that the selling club tells their player "you must not speak to any potential buying clubs at all, until we accept their offer"
Furthermore, it is often widely reported that players have already agreed personal terms BEFORE the transfer is agreed between clubs. If that is widely known, and it is tapping up, then the buying club have basically been caught red handed. Not very intelligent from people who should know better.
And, as others have said. There is no point in a buying club spending weeks and weeks putting effort and money into trying to agree a deal with the selling club, and after all that the player simply saying "no thanks, not at all interested"
It isn't ALL down to agents. Agents are a significant problem but clubs are clearly part of the problem as well, as players may be directly on occasions.
Lucifer MorningStar
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Wissa would be a great signing for Newcastle and would do well in their front 3. I think the issue is they want him and another striker because the they’re light up front having let Wilson go they already have no back up.
Issue is partly down to them not being able to seal deals but also Brentford being hugely reluctant to let anymore players go. If the let Wissa go they’ve effectively got nothing left up front having already lost Mbuemo. They’re already amongst the relegation favourites having lost big players and their manager so to lose the only other first choice forward is going to be huge for them.
Issue is partly down to them not being able to seal deals but also Brentford being hugely reluctant to let anymore players go. If the let Wissa go they’ve effectively got nothing left up front having already lost Mbuemo. They’re already amongst the relegation favourites having lost big players and their manager so to lose the only other first choice forward is going to be huge for them.
@Swango1980 the sequence is that the club asks permission to speak to the player, club speaks to player, club offers bid.
We know that agents quietly speak to buying club / buying club speaks to agents, before permission is asked for but that is a case of sounding out and that seems about okay. Actually getting to the point where you have full on agreed terms before even speaking to the selling club, that's another step completely.
We know that agents quietly speak to buying club / buying club speaks to agents, before permission is asked for but that is a case of sounding out and that seems about okay. Actually getting to the point where you have full on agreed terms before even speaking to the selling club, that's another step completely.
Swango1980
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Tapping up was an accusation of a club speaking to the player before an official bid comes in?
However, Man Utd could have been speaking to the selling club for a while, even informally, to determine whether a bid is even worth their time. Perhaps these conversations are actually often very amicable, blowing smoke up each other backside. The selling club will want to find out about the buying clubs feelings on a player sale, but they will also want to find out if the player even wants to come in the first place.
Therefore, if talks are positive, the buying club could have been given permission from the selling club to speak to the player long before an official bid comes in. They probably have multiple teams trying to work on a deal. You'll have a team speaking to the player and trying to discuss personal terms, inspire them about the club, etc. You'll have another team trying to come up with a suitable bid that makes them feel they are getting great value, but also one that hopefully will suit the selling club. It will be a long drawn out process, with add ons and installments to work out, and negotiate over.
I'm sure this process is probably done for 90% of transfers. For the rest, perhaps a club just puts in a bid out of the blue, which the selling club is absolutely not interested in, and then things kick off because it comes out that the buying club has got in the ear of the player. However, communicating with the player is hard to stop, all it needs is a player at international break, or after a match, to have a whisper in their ear to come join their club. Though if it extends to personal terms already being agreed, behind the back of the selling club, then I agree that would be tapping up
It sounds as though Maddison is out for the season. Great shame for him, I really like watching him play also. Tough to come back from a year out, hopefully he can manage it.
Would this tempt Spurs to go for Grealish on loan for the season? Similar sort of playmaker.
Would this tempt Spurs to go for Grealish on loan for the season? Similar sort of playmaker.
Aztecs27
Money List Winner
What about getting Gibbs-White in??
Sorry.
EDIT: In all seriousness, Grealish would be a great shout. I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Red devil
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Lucifer MorningStar
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Don’t do that he’s a Spurs fan kick him whilst he’s downClearly, I was just trying to cheer @Orikoru up, give him some hope
