The Footie Thread

[RichA]

I don't really understand what you and other Forest fans are getting at here - what would be the point of putting a release clause in his contract then trying to keep it a secret from everybody? That just sounds ridiculous to me. Release clauses in contract are generally common knowledge aren't they? Quite often see them mentioned in transfer rumours and so on. The agent probably told Spurs and they put the bid in - quite simple.

I highly doubt Spurs managed to make an offer for the release clause amount without Forest knowing about it - how would that work exactly? Do they answer the phone by shouting LA LA LA LA and sticking their fingers in their ears??

You might put your house on the market for £500k but tell the estate agent that if somebody offers £450k you'll accept it. That doesn't mean you advertise the fact because you obviously want higher offers.

Similarly, clubs could keep making offers to Forest for MGW and Forest could keep refusing them - until somebody offers over the secret release clause figure at which point the player has the power to say he'd like to leave.
None of us know for sure, but I believe the inference is that somebody told Spurs what the secret number was and they didn't actually contact the club to make the offer. But none of us have seen the contract or NDA, so we're mostly just making up.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I’m not sure the issue

The player will know his own contract as will his agent

There is no secrets act on them

An agent just tells a club what the clause is and club bids it

Club then has to accept

 

[Swango1980]

You might put your house on the market for £500k but tell the estate agent that if somebody offers £450k you'll accept it. That doesn't mean you advertise the fact because you obviously want higher offers.

Similarly, clubs could keep making offers to Forest for MGW and Forest could keep refusing them - until somebody offers over the secret release clause figure at which point the player has the power to say he'd like to leave.
None of us know for sure, but I believe the inference is that somebody told Spurs what the secret number was and they didn't actually contact the club to make the offer. But none of us have seen the contract or NDA, so we're mostly just making up.

If Forest think other clubs won't find out player release clause, they are the biggest idiots in football.

The player knows the release clause. The agent knows the release clause. If a player fancies a move, they can get their agents to talk. A player could even tell a player from another team what the release clause is, that info can then be passed on.

It doesn't need Spurs to set up an official or secret meeting with the player, or even the agent, to find these details out.

And, even if the release clause was kept secret, in case Spurs offered £100 million, at this point they will have permission to officially speak to player. They'll find out release clause, and then just reduce their offer to match it.

The release clause is there in the player's interest. It makes no sense that the club can keep is a big secret.

 

[Deleted member 36742]

You might put your house on the market for £500k but tell the estate agent that if somebody offers £450k you'll accept it. That doesn't mean you advertise the fact because you obviously want higher offers.

Similarly, clubs could keep making offers to Forest for MGW and Forest could keep refusing them - until somebody offers over the secret release clause figure at which point the player has the power to say he'd like to leave.
None of us know for sure, but I believe the inference is that somebody told Spurs what the secret number was and they didn't actually contact the club to make the offer. But none of us have seen the contract or NDA, so we're mostly just making up.

This whole drama seems to have arisen because Forest were not thinking when negotiating the player's current contract and have now been caught with their pants down.

These clauses are usually inserted at the request of the player and his representatives and the alternatives are either higher salary and/or bonuses or a signing on fee at the commencement of the contract.

However it is addressed it is at least disingenuous to agree a release clause and not expect the terms of that to become known to other clubs.

The problem would seem t be of Forest's own making by agreeing to a figure which apparently they do not think reflects MGW's value.

 

[RichA]

There's mention of a non-disclosure clause in the contract which, presumably relates to the release figure.
Only in football is it generally accepted that contracts exist only to be broken.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

There's mention of a non-disclosure clause in the contract which, presumably relates to the release figure.
Only in football is it generally accepted that contracts exist only to be broken.

Well I guess it does work both ways - Clubs have no issues selling a player they don’t want midway through their contract

A contract is just in place to define wages and protect assets

Even if there was some NDA - it wouldn’t stand up because how do they prove how Spurs found out

 

[RichA]

Well I guess it does work both ways - Clubs have no issues selling a player they don’t want midway through their contract

A contract is just in place to define wages and protect assets

Even if there was some NDA - it wouldn’t stand up because how do they prove how Spurs found out

FA rules prohibiting other clubs approaching a contracted player without the owning club's written permission would be a starting point, I guess.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

FA rules prohibiting other clubs approaching a contracted player without the owning club's written permission would be a starting point, I guess.

They don’t need to approach the player - the agent can do all the dirty work

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Club World Cup: Gianni Infantino says tournament is the 'most successful' club competition in the world

Fifa president Gianni Infantino believes the Club World Cup is "already the most successful club competition in the world", despite "some negatives" surrounding the tournament.

www.bbc.co.uk

Delusional

 

[irip]

Club World Cup: Gianni Infantino says tournament is the 'most successful' club competition in the world

Fifa president Gianni Infantino believes the Club World Cup is "already the most successful club competition in the world", despite "some negatives" surrounding the tournament.

www.bbc.co.uk

Delusional

I disagree with you there Phil.
The club World Cup has achieved its number 1 aim in that it has made FIFA and I am sure lots of individuals a whole load of money.
The fact is they don’t tell the fans that or openly admit it but that is what it has been created for.

I also wonder what fans from other countries across the world think of it?
Do Brazilians think it’s been a great tournament?

 

[Tashyboy]

I disagree with you there Phil.
The club World Cup has achieved its number 1 aim in that it has made FIFA and I am sure lots of individuals a whole load of money.
The fact is they don’t tell the fans that or openly admit it but that is what it has been created for.

I also wonder what fans from other countries across the world think of it?
Do Brazilians think it’s been a great tournament?

Yes they do. They geared there season up for it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I disagree with you there Phil.
The club World Cup has achieved its number 1 aim in that it has made FIFA and I am sure lots of individuals a whole load of money.
The fact is they don’t tell the fans that or openly admit it but that is what it has been created for.

I also wonder what fans from other countries across the world think of it?
Do Brazilians think it’s been a great tournament?

Well I’m not sure how much money fifa will make as they are having to give out £1bn in prize money which of course just happens to be the money that Saudi ( sorry Dazn ) paid for the tv rights

 

[irip]

Well I’m not sure how much money fifa will make as they are having to give out £1bn in prize money which of course just happens to be the money that Saudi ( sorry Dazn ) paid for the tv rights

FIFA will be making plenty of money from other sources as well, that’s not including any personal gains that individuals will make.

You only have to look at who hosted the last 2 World cups and who will host the next 2 to see where their priorities lie.

But if fans from countries around the world buy into the premise of it that can only be a good thing, I think we sometimes get spoilt by the premier league and endless top level football we get to watch constantly where fans from some countries have at least got to see their teams compete against some of the worlds best.

 

[3 jabber]

Well I’m not sure how much money fifa will make as they are having to give out £1bn in prize money which of course just happens to be the money that Saudi ( sorry Dazn ) paid for the tv rights

Any idea of the viewing figures? I watched the 2nd half of one City game and nothing else. Total non event to me.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Any idea of the viewing figures? I watched the 2nd half of one City game and nothing else. Total non event to me.

No idea , and I doubt they will announce it and use the old “streaming” figure etc

 

[Slime]

Any idea of the viewing figures? I watched the 2nd half of one City game and nothing else. Total non event to me.

That's a whole lot more than I've seen.

 

[Billysboots]

That's a whole lot more than I've seen.

You and me both.

For the supposed biggest club competition in the world, as a television spectacle, in this country at least, it’s been a total non event. And if one of the world’s foremost football supporting nations has allowed it to pass by virtually unnoticed, I can’t imagine it’s been widely watched elsewhere.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

FIFA will be making plenty of money from other sources as well, that’s not including any personal gains that individuals will make.

You only have to look at who hosted the last 2 World cups and who will host the next 2 to see where their priorities lie.

But if fans from countries around the world buy into the premise of it that can only be a good thing, I think we sometimes get spoilt by the premier league and endless top level football we get to watch constantly where fans from some countries have at least got to see their teams compete against some of the worlds best.

The empty stadiums show how people have bought into it and it’s the same at world cups in Middle East etc

FIFA are very jealous imo of UEFA and how popular the CL and Euros are and even the Nations Lge to building

The Euros is not far behind the World Cup but the CL is miles away the biggest club comp and FIFA want to rival that

 

[irip]

Question for you both.
If your team were playing in it would you have watched it or shown more interest in it?

Are those of us in England and even Europe the target audience for this competition or are they trying to attract the fans in places like South America or Mexico etc?

Are they hoping the US fans would get behind it and then create more interest and money for the World Cup next year?

I personally have no interest in the AFCON but understand the huge importance it holds for the African supporters.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Question for you both.
If your team were playing in it would you have watched it or shown more interest in it?

Are those of us in England and even Europe the target audience for this competition or are they trying to attract the fans in places like South America or Mexico etc?

Are they hoping the US fans would get behind it and then create more interest and money for the World Cup next year?

I personally have no interest in the AFCON but understand the huge importance it holds for the African supporters.

I wouldn’t be staying up to midnight , 2 etc in the morning to watch it