The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

Exactly the point , the seeds were sown last summer , Wenger even highlighted, they would have been speaking to his agent since last summer to ensure they get a player for free

Hopefully the penny has dropped , the player these days holds the cards

The club would have struggled to sell him and they aren’t going to stick him in the reserves , make use of him for the last season and move on

I wouldn't say this comment is strictly true. I'd say the contract holds all the cards, including how long is left on it.

I'm not sure anyone was saying the players hold all the cards when Kane was not allowed to leave to join City, or when De Gea didn't get the contract he wanted at Utd, and then ultimately got nothing. I'd imagine in 99.9% of cases in professional football, the club are generally in the strongest position. However, in a small number of cases when you have the highest profile players in football, where the club have been unable to get them to sign an extension or sell them, then you will end up in a position where the player is suddenly in a very strong position. Providing they stay fit, and other clubs come along and want their services and willing to pay you more money that what you currently get.

I suspect in the vast majority of cases, when a players contract has been allowed to run out, it is quite a scary time for a player. Because there isn't a better opportunity around the corner, and the club they have become settled at are not willing to keep you on, at least for the same salary you once commanded.

 

[RichA]

Disappointed he’s gone I accept. Disappointed he’s engineered the best deal for him, good on the lad. If the club wanted to move him on, they would have. They took the risk, as all clubs do, no doubt with half an expectation that Liverpool born and bred might hold some sway.

Players have a very limited earnings window, and have to maximise their opportunities. As painful as it is for fans to see a top player leave, that’s part of football.

Taking football out of the equation and just looking at it contractually, an employee has honoured his contract and is moving to a new employer.
It seems bizarre to suggest that he should have entered a new contract with both parties intending that it should be breached shortly afterwards in order that the old employer can claim compensation from a third party.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Taking football out of the equation and just looking at it contractually, an employee has honoured his contract and is moving to a new employer.
It seems bizarre to suggest that he should have entered a new contract with both parties intending that it should be breached shortly afterwards in order that the old employer can claim compensation from a third party.

At least the fans didn't go Gerrard on the poor lad. Never got his move to Chelsea because of the local gangsters

 

[Swango1980]

Shocking that’s not even close.
Bit of common sense needed.
A consequence of VAR.

I haven't seen the video back, but in fairness to the lineswoman in that first image (when the ball is played), the player making the pass is all the way over on her left shoulder and the offside player is out in front of her. Assuming she doesn't have perfect widescreen vision, it is going to be difficult to look at both the player making the pass AND the player receiving the pass at the same time. Furthermore, it looks like the defender playing him offside is running forward to make him offside, whilst the forward is running in the opposite direction. So, the still image may show it is well offside, but when you are watching it live it is probably extremely difficult to be sure it is offside. I'd almost give the lineswoman a ton of credit for ultimately calling that offside.

The second image can help show how quick things can change. The ball has barely moved forward from when the pass was made, yet the forward is much further beyond the defender than the first image.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Taking football out of the equation and just looking at it contractually, an employee has honoured his contract and is moving to a new employer.
It seems bizarre to suggest that he should have entered a new contract with both parties intending that it should be breached shortly afterwards in order that the old employer can claim compensation from a third party.

Sport I think it a little different

Contracts can be signed with clauses in them to allow both the club to protect their asset they purchased or developed and also does allow the player a way to get out

All Spanish clubs have to insert a release clause into a players contract

Obviously for some it will be ridiculously high but it does help both the club and player

 

[Orikoru]

Taking football out of the equation and just looking at it contractually, an employee has honoured his contract and is moving to a new employer.
It seems bizarre to suggest that he should have entered a new contract with both parties intending that it should be breached shortly afterwards in order that the old employer can claim compensation from a third party.

Agree 100%. This is where the tribalism of fans clouds their judgement and makes them spout absolute nonsense.

 

[RichA]

I suspect in the vast majority of cases, when a players contract has been allowed to run out, it is quite a scary time for a player. Because there isn't a better opportunity around the corner, and the club they have become settled at are not willing to keep you on, at least for the same salary you once commanded.

Yep. It's bad enough when the players are adults with other opportunities. Can't feel sorry for a massive football club knowing how many of those "let go" players are children who's heads were filled with the promise of stardom from the age of 10 and have put all their eggs in the pro football basket.

 

[clubchamp98]

I haven't seen the video back, but in fairness to the lineswoman in that first image (when the ball is played), the player making the pass is all the way over on her left shoulder and the offside player is out in front of her. Assuming she doesn't have perfect widescreen vision, it is going to be difficult to look at both the player making the pass AND the player receiving the pass at the same time. Furthermore, it looks like the defender playing him offside is running forward to make him offside, whilst the forward is running in the opposite direction. So, the still image may show it is well offside, but when you are watching it live it is probably extremely difficult to be sure it is offside. I'd almost give the lineswoman a ton of credit for ultimately calling that offside.

The second image can help show how quick things can change. The ball has barely moved forward from when the pass was made, yet the forward is much further beyond the defender than the first image.

Anyone who watches footy will tell you that’s miles off.

Stills can confuse things.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

At least the fans didn't go Gerrard on the poor lad. Never got his move to Chelsea because of the local gangsters

Let’s not be seen to be throwing stones in glass houses now

 

[Don Barzini]

Does the directive come from PGMOL or above them from IFAB ?

Are PGMOL just carrying out the rules or is it different in other countries

Knowing who is in charge of PGMOL it wouldn’t surprise if they are doing it their own way

My understanding:

• IFAB is responsible for creating the delayed offside flag rule.
• FIFA and the Premier League are responsible for adopting it.
• PGMOL is responsible for implementing it and instructing officials accordingly.
• The assistant referee was following protocol exactly as instructed.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

My understanding:

• IFAB is responsible for creating the delayed offside flag rule.
• FIFA and the Premier League are responsible for adopting it.
• PGMOL is responsible for implementing it and instructing officials accordingly.
• The assistant referee was following protocol exactly as instructed.

Let’s hope for some common sense and a bit of rethink on the rule

And hopefully some better news for Awoniyi today

 

[Don Barzini]

Let’s hope for some common sense and a bit of rethink on the rule

And hopefully some better news for Awoniyi today

I think he's having more surgery today. I could be wrong about that, I've read a few reports and some of them probably merge/cross/contradict each other.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think he's having more surgery today. I could be wrong about that, I've read a few reports and some of them probably merge/cross/contradict each other.

Did read about why he is in an induced coma after the op , all about helping recovery and about being on a ventilator

 

[SteveW86]

We could have a football and the daily drama of Liverpool thread?

Says the guy who posts most of his life on here

 

[RichA]

Sport I think it a little different

Contracts can be signed with clauses in them to allow both the club to protect their asset they purchased or developed and also does allow the player a way to get out

All Spanish clubs have to insert a release clause into a players contract

Obviously for some it will be ridiculously high but it does help both the club and player

Contracts are contracts, regardless of the backdrop.
Only in football do fans believe that they and the club have some kind of moral right that they can assert.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Contracts are contracts, regardless of the backdrop.
Only in football do fans believe that they and the club have some kind of moral right that they can assert.

Not sure it’s a moral right as such that clubs can assert - hard to put words to it but those players are made rich etc by the clubs and fans , they are afforded the status by clubs - some of them spend a lot of money developing them as players so there might be some sort of obligation

But I guess all the human side of the sport has eroded over the years

Players in the past let the clubs know their wants to leave etc nice and early

Can remember Souness telling the club in the summer that after the season he wanted to move on etc

 

[RichA]

Not sure it’s a moral right as such that clubs can assert - hard to put words to it but those players are made rich etc by the clubs and fans , they are afforded the status by clubs - some of them spend a lot of money developing them as players so there might be some sort of obligation

But I guess all the human side of the sport has eroded over the years

Players in the past let the clubs know their wants to leave etc nice and early

Can remember Souness telling the club in the summer that after the season he wanted to move on etc

Literally the entire purpose of a contract. Which he has honoured until its expiry.
Why would anyone commit themself to a 2-year contract controlled by an employer they can't see a future with?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Literally the entire purpose of a contract. Which he has honoured until its expiry.
Why would anyone commit themself to a 2-year contract controlled by an employer they can't see a future with?

Players do it and add in a release clause

If he didn’t see a future with the club last summer then that imo is the time to tell the club so that they can look at the options - not wait imo until March time , his agent was still “negotiating” with the club with contracts being offered to the player until March

But it’s all part of the game these days

All subjective now as he will be gone from the 1st July and hopefully we will have Frimpong in by then

 

[RichA]

Players do it and add in a release clause

If he didn’t see a future with the club last summer then that imo is the time to tell the club so that they can look at the options - not wait imo until March time , his agent was still “negotiating” with the club with contracts being offered to the player until March

But it’s all part of the game these days

All subjective now as he will be gone from the 1st July and hopefully we will have Frimpong in by then

Why would he sign a contract he didn't want to sign and intended to breach in the hope that another club would buy him out of it when he could do what he has done?
He has done nothing wrong, legally or morally. Some football fans' view of the situation is incomprehensibly skewed.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Literally the entire purpose of a contract. Which he has honoured until its expiry.
Why would anyone commit themself to a 2-year contract controlled by an employer they can't see a future with?

When it comes to football, I feel a players contract is now just an agreement saying how much they will be paid each week, and gives the club some leverage in the form of a transfer fee if another club comes in for the player.
When you look at the sums paid now to the PL players, it’s difficult to feel sorry for many of the players when it comes to money, especially when you consider the amount they are paid on average is more than the average wage earner earns in a lifetime.