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The Footie Thread

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Don Barzini said:
This question has been doing the rounds among Forest fans for the last few weeks. Would you prefer CL qualification or winning the FA Cup?

Honestly, I can see it from both sides.

Pure, unadulterated, football-fan view - FA Cup. You want to see your club win silverware and be etched into the history books for it forever.

But these days.....CL qualification is "worth" a lot more to the club for the long term and for where our owner wants us to be. If we get CL, we have a stronger hand in keeping our better players away from the vultures that will circle in the summer. Plus we'll also have a stronger hand when attracting new/better players when we try to strenghten our squad.

Head and heart one for me and I can't really give a straight answer!

My usual response is "I want both"! ;) 🤣
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I always ask myself this question and my answer is always the FA Cup, based on what will I look back on more fondly or tell the grandchildren about when I'm at death's door.
 
Bazz said:
I always ask myself this question and my answer is always the FA Cup, based on what will I look back on more fondly or tell the grandchildren about when I'm at death's door.
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You don't put anything in the trophy cabinet for 2nd, 3rd, 4th place etc? You don't get a bus parade for 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Glory is in silverware. Cups win every time.
 
It should always be Trophies over qualifying for europe but i understand how important financially it is to finish in the european places and for fans to want to experience the Champions League and Europa League nights.
 
Don Barzini said:
This question has been doing the rounds among Forest fans for the last few weeks. Would you prefer CL qualification or winning the FA Cup?

Honestly, I can see it from both sides.

Pure, unadulterated, football-fan view - FA Cup. You want to see your club win silverware and be etched into the history books for it forever.

But these days.....CL qualification is "worth" a lot more to the club for the long term and for where our owner wants us to be. If we get CL, we have a stronger hand in keeping our better players away from the vultures that will circle in the summer. Plus we'll also have a stronger hand when attracting new/better players when we try to strenghten our squad.

Head and heart one for me and I can't really give a straight answer!

My usual response is "I want both"! ;) 🤣
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Think most fans want both for their sides. It's a difficult one but you are guaranteed (more or less) soem form of European football but I agree it is the finacial rewards of the CL that helps a club to the next level
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Interesting conundrum - winning a cup or CVL qualification. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cddenz1yd52o

Surely no brainer and as a player you want to be lifting trophies
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Clubs want in Champions League for the money. Buy better players, thus better chances to win things

So, if a club has a chance to win something, feels like a bit of an oxymoron that they'd rather qualify for Champions League, if it were a choice.
 
Bazz said:
Clubs try hard all season to get in the Europa league places and then make changes to the team when they're in it. Never understood it.
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Get that nice paycheck for getting into the Europa League then focus on the league to get it again next year.
 
Winning the fa cup would be amazing, I still remember the buzz before we lost the Gerrard final

Winning league cup imo would be cracking aswell

All that said European football for 3 years running was fantastic. Thursday nights were a great watch as a fan. I was there when kudus ran half the length of the pitch with the ball to score. The party after paquata played through sir Bowen to win the conference league will live forever.

I miss Thursday night football
 
Bazz said:
Clubs try hard all season to get in the Europa league places and then make changes to the team when they're in it. Never understood it.
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When Fulham got to the Europa final we had to rotate the squad for the PL and Europa league games as the squad was never strong enough to play both competitions especially with injuries or suspensions. It showed in the PL performances the following season. I think for a club like ours it is inevitable to have rotation. Were we to get into Europe next season I think we are in exactly the same position and not enough depth
 
It is a difficult one. I remember when we were Liddle City and we won the FA cup for the first time in generations. Trust me the elation is on another level. The nearest thing I can relate is Newcastle this season winning the league cup. A few hundred thousand folk turning up for the parade kinda confirms that.
When City won the premier league against QPR, Lordy flippin Lordy, that moment is historic, even though Liddle City have no History 😉
Again when Leicester won the Premiership.That History that ranks alongside Citys first title. I was seriously chuffed for Leicester.
Look at Forest and there two stars on there shirt from Europe. You’re never taking them away.
But times change. And for me change for the worse.
Before Sky and the premier league “ invented football”, no one ever ever talked about the top/ big four. You seriously never knew who would win the league. Football through the Premier league has seen 8 champions since its “invention” in 1992.
The previous 33 years when it was boring old division 1, there was 13 champions.
And yet shockingly, teams that should have no place of Finishing in the top 2 or 3 like Sheff Weds, Ipswich, Forest, Watford, QPR, Derby, Burnley, Wolves, Man Utd Managed it.
But money, Sky, and there invention of football changed all that.
Liverpool in a poor season have walked it. And deservedly so. But rather than have the highlight on that achievement. It now focuses on who will finish in the champions league places and get X amount of ££££’s
It’s sad, very sad indeed.
From a City point of view, we have won 1 champions league having qualified for lord knows how many.
From my point of view. History and Silverwear looks far prettier than £ signs.
 
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In the 15 years before the Premier League was founded there were 4 winners of the old First Division whilst in the last 15 years there have been 5 winners of the Premier League.

At the top level the game has always had dominant forces. It is cyclical.
 
It’s odd how City were slated for letting Cole Palmer go, especially when he was on fire at the start of the season. He has not scored in 16 games and all is quiet. His exit from City is very similar to when Sancho went to Dortmund.
That said, I hope he manages to turn it around.
 
TNT Sports employ some terrible co-commentators. Rio Ferdinand is bad. But Joe Cole takes it to another level. Really bad.

It’s a shame, because I like Darren Fletcher as a commentator, but these clowns really undermine his good work.
 
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