The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

It is interesting how many are comparing Premier League referees to Champions League referees based on the decision of ONE incident. I mean, I'm sure there have been many appalling decisions in the Champions League, at which point pundits and fans start screaming the best referee is Estonia or wherever else is not fit to referee at that level.

One incident that everyone seemed to piss. The Arsenal goalkeeper took a goal kick after the referee blew his whistle. It went to Gabriel who picked the ball up. Bayern players complained, and apparently referee said he wouldn't give a penalty for a schoolboy error like that. The incident is below:

So, for people who love to live by the letter of the law, at what point is the ball considered in play? Seems to me that Gabriel has got away with one here.

 

[Rlburnside]

It's called an Antony Gordon now

Good to see proper refs not buying it

Really doesn't help with Ferdinand and keown saying it's a pen, 100% they would be up in arms if it was the other end or worse given against them

I know we are all biased towards our own team especially against Arsenal for me but Keown just couldn’t admit that Bayern were favorites for the second leg and seemed to dismiss how dangerous Bayern were on the break. It will be a tough game for them away.

No doubt Arsenal are the better team but Bayern playing with home crowd and only trophy they can win this season is going to be harder than Keown thinks.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I know we are all biased towards our own team especially against Arsenal for me but Keown just couldn’t admit that Bayern were favorites for the second leg and seemed to dismiss how dangerous Bayern were on the break. It will be a tough game for them away.

No doubt Arsenal are the better team but Bayern playing with home crowd and only trophy they can win this season is going to be harder than Keown thinks.

100%, bayner were really causing issues with sanes pace until he had to come off

You don't see played through often

The tie is far from over ofc but I'd rather be home in the second leg after a draw for sure

 

[Rlburnside]

It is interesting how many are comparing Premier League referees to Champions League referees based on the decision of ONE incident. I mean, I'm sure there have been many appalling decisions in the Champions League, at which point pundits and fans start screaming the best referee is Estonia or wherever else is not fit to referee at that level.

One incident that everyone seemed to piss. The Arsenal goalkeeper took a goal kick after the referee blew his whistle. It went to Gabriel who picked the ball up. Bayern players complained, and apparently referee said he wouldn't give a penalty for a schoolboy error like that. The incident is below:

So, for people who love to live by the letter of the law, at what point is the ball considered in play? Seems to me that Gabriel has got away with one here.

Wow never noticed that in the match clearly heard the whistle so how can he not give a penalty

 

[Swango1980]

Wow never noticed that in the match clearly heard the whistle so how can he not give a penalty

Nor did I, and assuming the commentators didn't. Only found out when I heard the news today, and they were talking about it on Talksport. They had O'Leary on and several Arsenal fans, and at least not one of them could give a good reason why it wasn't a penalty.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

It is interesting how many are comparing Premier League referees to Champions League referees based on the decision of ONE incident. I mean, I'm sure there have been many appalling decisions in the Champions League, at which point pundits and fans start screaming the best referee is Estonia or wherever else is not fit to referee at that level.

One incident that everyone seemed to piss. The Arsenal goalkeeper took a goal kick after the referee blew his whistle. It went to Gabriel who picked the ball up. Bayern players complained, and apparently referee said he wouldn't give a penalty for a schoolboy error like that. The incident is below:

So, for people who love to live by the letter of the law, at what point is the ball considered in play? Seems to me that Gabriel has got away with one here.

I'd of awarded a pen just to punish Gabriel being an idiot. Easily could have controlled it with his foot and done the same thing. Why would you need to use your hand in any way

 

[Bdill93]

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Good job villa are going to get champs league or they would be in some serious trouble by the looks

Nah were fine, the loss is mostly on stuff that gets written off and not player related.

Bit of scaremongering from the media but not very well researched.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Nah were fine, the loss is mostly on stuff that gets written off and not player related.

Bit of scaremongering from the media but not very well researched

I saw somewhere that if you hadn't sold grealish you would be in a much worse position as he goes down as a pure 100 mil profit

Much like us selling rice has made us fine for FFP for a while

 

[Bdill93]

I saw somewhere that if you hadn't sold grealish you would be in a much worse position as he goes down as a pure 100 mil profit

Much like us selling rice has made us fine for FFP for a while

Oh for sure, but then we also wouldnt have spent all his money either. Its one of those.

I can see Ramsey being sold this summer, we also had about 4 academy sales at the end of the summer window which arent in last years accounts so we have some buffer.

Its all good in the hood

 

[PaulMdj]

Saka trailing his leg and looking for the contact was exactly the same as what Harvey Elliot did against Man U at the weekend.

Difference between this one snd the Elliott pen is that the opposition player was trying to get the ball, as said above Neuer made no effort, if Neuer had moved towards Saka I could of seen it given.

 

[Billysboots]

Don't forget, the refs we see at this stage are the elite. The best 1 from each country in effect. We are not seeing the others.

I think the ref on the Arsenal game last night was officiating for the first time in a CL knockout fixture. So elite, maybe, but still relatively new to that environment. Very impressive I thought, and we could certainly learn a thing or two about how to use VAR in the Premier League by replicating what they do in Europe.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think the ref on the Arsenal game last night was officiating for the first time in a CL knockout fixture. So elite, maybe, but still relatively new to that environment. Very impressive I thought, and we could certainly learn a thing or two about how to use VAR in the Premier League by replicating what they do in Europe.

No doubt. Whenever I hear foreign journalists talking about their own leagues, I hear the same complaints about refs. They watch our games and think the refereeing is better here. Maybe every fan sees the grass is greener in terms of refs?

 

[Hobbit]

I’d be very surprised if the referees used for Champion’s League matches aren’t, on balance, better than most referees used for domestic matches, Prem or the other European leagues. It’s just common sense that UEFA would use the best from each country.

Some refs will be better than others, and some of those good refs will have indifferent games just as average refs will have good games. Refs, of any standard will, make mistakes, the better ones will hopefully make less mistakes and certainly less serious mistakes than the not so good refs. There’s no getting away from the fact that some serious mistakes will happen.

Looking at those mistakes and saying the ref cost us the game, a penalty not given, a penalty given etc, etc, etc… how about if the striker hadn’t skewed a shot or the winger had laid the ball off earlier or the defender hadn’t put the ball in row Z or even how many misplaced passes there are. Refs do make mistakes that can cost games but players make way more mistakes that cost games.

It’s a little sad that we focus way more on a ref’s mistakes and barely on the guy that blazes it over the bar or slices it into his own goal. Why can’t we just enjoy a match warts and all?

 

[Swango1980]

I saw somewhere that if you hadn't sold grealish you would be in a much worse position as he goes down as a pure 100 mil profit

Much like us selling rice has made us fine for FFP for a while

In the transfer windows since (and including) Grealish left, Villa have spent about £290 million. Had Grealish stayed, I suspect they would have spent a lot less?

 

[Swango1980]

I’d be very surprised if the referees used for Champion’s League matches aren’t, on balance, better than most referees used for domestic matches, Prem or the other European leagues. It’s just common sense that UEFA would use the best from each country.

Some refs will be better than others, and some of those good refs will have indifferent games just as average refs will have good games. Refs, of any standard will, make mistakes, the better ones will hopefully make less mistakes and certainly less serious mistakes than the not so good refs. There’s no getting away from the fact that some serious mistakes will happen.

Looking at those mistakes and saying the ref cost us the game, a penalty not given, a penalty given etc, etc, etc… how about if the striker hadn’t skewed a shot or the winger had laid the ball off earlier or the defender hadn’t put the ball in row Z or even how many misplaced passes there are. Refs do make mistakes that can cost games but players make way more mistakes that cost games.

It’s a little sad that we focus way more on a ref’s mistakes and barely on the guy that blazes it over the bar or slices it into his own goal. Why can’t we just enjoy a match warts and all?

I'd agree if they used the top referees from the biggest leagues in the world. But, they have the best referees from the minnow countries. It is questionable whether the best referees in Estonia, Iceland, Malta, Nort Macedonia and Slovenia are at even at the level of League 2 referees in England?

 

[Billysboots]

No doubt. Whenever I hear foreign journalists talking about their own leagues, I hear the same complaints about refs. They watch our games and think the refereeing is better here. Maybe every fan sees the grass is greener in terms of refs?

The thing which always impresses me with VAR in the CL, though, is the speed with which decisions are reviewed. And also what they involve themselves in. I can’t ever recall a CL VAR decision taking more than a few seconds. It’s so refreshing compared with the nonsense we see here every weekend.

 

[PaulMdj]

I'd agree if they used the top referees from the biggest leagues in the world. But, they have the best referees from the minnow countries. It is questionable whether the best referees in Estonia, Iceland, Malta, Nort Macedonia and Slovenia are at even at the level of League 2 referees in England?

Why should the size of Country make any difference? The Laws of the game are the same worldwide!

I understand they may not be seeing the top players in the world on the pitch week in, week out, but that still doesn’t make them lesser people.

Are these people from these Countries inferior in every aspect or just refereeing?

 

[Swango1980]

Why should the size of Country make any difference? The Laws of the game are the same worldwide!

I understand they may not be seeing the top players in the world on the pitch week in, week out, but that still doesn’t make them lesser people.

Are these people from these Countries inferior in every aspect or just refereeing?

Really!?

Why do you think footballers are better in countries like England, Spain, Italy and Germany compared to players in Estonia, San Marino and Luxembourg? After all, it is the same game.

In bigger countries, you may have tens of thousands of people who want to become a referee, and only a few make it to the top level. In Estonia, I doubt they'd have anywhere near that level of people wanting to become referees. Firstly, due to sheer population size. Secondly, it is not quite a lucrative to becoming a referee in the Premier League.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

In the transfer windows since (and including) Grealish left, Villa have spent about £290 million. Had Grealish stayed, I suspect they would have spent a lot less?

It's about profit on transfers tho isn't It

Grealish goes down as 100 mil pure profit but say they sell Watkins for 50m that's only 20 mil profit so grealish gave them so much wiggle room

 

[Swango1980]

Regarding the Saka incident. I initially thought he did throw his leg when I saw the slow motion replay. But, when watching it in full speed, there is no way I could come to the same conclusion. He was running so quickly, suddenly changed direction and his right leg was always going in that direction. So, I fully believe he was trying to get it past Neuer, and had no intention to buy a penalty.

That being said, I still agree that not giving a penalty was probably correct. Simply as Neuer made no challenge. He just stood his ground.