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[Deleted member 15344]

Do you think Jota’s was a penalty? Just a simple yes or no.

Yes I think it was and watching the replay on MoTD this morning on the Forest one then it should have been given as well or at least ref going back to the VAR - the GK made a second movement with his arm that was highlighted by MOTD

 

[Don Barzini]

Even Mr Newcastle thought Forest were hard done by on MOTD for both the penalty and the fouls (on MGW and then Nico Dominguez) on the lead up to their third.

Seen it all now

Yes I was pleasantly surprised to see this too. If even Shearer thinks it was a penalty against Newcastle, it definitely should have been.

And even if Awoniyi was making a meal of it, how many times do we hear pundits and ex-referees saying that as soon as you fart anywhere near a striker in the box, they have a “right” to go down.

Raised arm, caught him on his way past. These days and the way football has gone, Awoniyi had “the right” to go down and it was a stonewall pen.

 

[Don Barzini]

Yes I think it was and watching the replay on MoTD this morning on the Forest one then it should have been given as well or at least ref going back to the VAR - the GK made a second movement with his arm that was highlighted by MOTD

Fair enough. I’m glad you have changed your mind on the Forest one.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes I was pleasantly surprised to see this too. If even Shearer thinks it was a penalty against Newcastle, it definitely should have been.

And even if Awoniyi was making a meal of it, how many times do we hear pundits and ex-referees saying that as soon as you fart anywhere near a striker in the box, they have a “right” to go down.

Raised arm, caught him on his way past. These days and the way football has gone, Awoniyi had “the right” to go down and it was a stonewall pen.

If the ref didn’t see it has he made a clear and obvious error ? Imo yes.
Thats the threshold for VAR to intervene.

He definitely missed it so why didn’t VAR tell him.( maybe they did) who knows.
But they are just backing up clearly wrong decisions.

Not doing its job every week.

 

[RichA]

Yes I was pleasantly surprised to see this too. If even Shearer thinks it was a penalty against Newcastle, it definitely should have been.

And even if Awoniyi was making a meal of it, how many times do we hear pundits and ex-referees saying that as soon as you fart anywhere near a striker in the box, they have a “right” to go down.

Raised arm, caught him on his way past. These days and the way football has gone, Awoniyi had “the right” to go down and it was a stonewall pen.

I can't get behind the rationale that if the unobjective guy I always disagree with says it was so and it happens to align with my opinion then, on this occasion, it must be true.
I watched it last night. I watched the analysis on MotD this morning. As a Forest fan, I still don't think it was a penalty. Contact doesn't automatically mean it's a foul. He never really had the ball under control. His legs were all over the place throughout the incident and he always looked like he was going to fall over. The ball was out of his reach and heading over the line before the brush on the keeper.
Shearer thought that the blatant body check on the defender who was moving in on Guimaraes before his second goal was only worthy of amusement. Do you agree with that one?
I didn't notice it last night, but seeing it this morning, that was more worthy of a VAR check.
happens though. It's sport, not forensic accounting.

 

[Aztecs27]

I can't get behind the rationale that if the unobjective guy I always disagree with says it was so and it happens to align with my opinion then, on this occasion, it must be true.
I watched it last night. I watched the analysis on MotD this morning. As a Forest fan, I still don't think it was a penalty. Contact doesn't automatically mean it's a foul. He never really had the ball under control. His legs were all over the place throughout the incident and he always looked like he was going to fall over. The ball was out of his reach and heading over the line before the brush on the keeper.
Shearer thought that the blatant body check on the defender who was moving in on Guimaraes before his second goal was only worthy of amusement. Do you agree with that one?
I didn't notice it last night, but seeing it this morning, that was more worthy of a VAR check.
happens though. It's sport, not forensic accounting.

Not impeded, it’s possible T would have been able to slot it home but I agree the body check on Dominguez was worse.

And yes, it’s not forensic accounting but it’s literally why VAR exists. Just get rid and keep goal line technology. That way we can all go back to moaning in the pub about missed offside calls instead of moaning about so called professionals, not being consistent in their application of the rules when they have countless replays and angles at their disposal to get this stuff right. We are just asking for consistency, not curing world hunger

 

[Hobbit]

Players don’t get a second chance ,in slow motion.
VAR promised to stop mistakes like the ones we’re seeing.!

Mistakes will always happen, even with VAR. One ref says its handball and the VAR ref, unintentionally, makes the same mistake. It will happen. It shouldn’t, and I’d hazard a guess that VAR has reduced the blatant errors. But I also think VAR has been badly used. The whole thing needs an overhaul.

 

[Swango1980]

I can't get behind the rationale that if the unobjective guy I always disagree with says it was so and it happens to align with my opinion then, on this occasion, it must be true.
I watched it last night. I watched the analysis on MotD this morning. As a Forest fan, I still don't think it was a penalty. Contact doesn't automatically mean it's a foul. He never really had the ball under control. His legs were all over the place throughout the incident and he always looked like he was going to fall over. The ball was out of his reach and heading over the line before the brush on the keeper.
Shearer thought that the blatant body check on the defender who was moving in on Guimaraes before his second goal was only worthy of amusement. Do you agree with that one?
I didn't notice it last night, but seeing it this morning, that was more worthy of a VAR check.
happens though. It's sport, not forensic accounting.

And yet, at start of season everyone said Wolves should have had a penalty when Onana jumped into Wolves player. A Wolves player never getting ball anyway.

I think it was subjective. Keeper came out to get ball, and missed it. But he did get the player. Regardless of what the attacker us doing, the goalkeeper assisted in taking him out, so I could see a penalty being given. At same time, if it is thought the GK didn't stop the chance of a goal, then maybe some (like yourself) think no penalty

When I saw it, I thought VAR may intervene. But given it is clear peope have different views, I guess it was correct it didn't. And if ref had given penalty, likewise I doubt VAR would intervene

 

[2blue]

Roy Keane wasn’t shy of putting in a knee high tackle, good player as well.

The modern game has weeded out this sort of player.

Not when under BC...... otherwise it'd be, "Come over here a minute, young man". Shame Leeds-cloggers didn't understand the Boss.

 

[Don Barzini]

I can't get behind the rationale that if the unobjective guy I always disagree with says it was so and it happens to align with my opinion then, on this occasion, it must be true.
I watched it last night. I watched the analysis on MotD this morning. As a Forest fan, I still don't think it was a penalty. Contact doesn't automatically mean it's a foul. He never really had the ball under control. His legs were all over the place throughout the incident and he always looked like he was going to fall over. The ball was out of his reach and heading over the line before the brush on the keeper.
Shearer thought that the blatant body check on the defender who was moving in on Guimaraes before his second goal was only worthy of amusement. Do you agree with that one?
I didn't notice it last night, but seeing it this morning, that was more worthy of a VAR check.
happens though. It's sport, not forensic accounting.

Yeah the Shearer comment was a bit tongue in cheek on my part. I should have added a wink smiley or similar. Goes to show though - that’s typical of what the people who make a living commenting on and talking about the game actually think.

For what it’s worth, I wish those sorts of decisions weren’t ever given as penalties. I wish that the slightest contact on a player didn’t result in them going down. I wish everyone thought that the concept of a player having “the right to go down” was as blinkin’ ridiculous as I do. However, as I’ve admitted recently here on these pages, I’m in a minority. The game has gone that way. Gamesmanship, trying to get an advantage, cheating - whatever you want to call it - is all part of the game and is celebrated by fans and pundits alike. The slightest touch on a player is now, probably more often than not, given as a foul.

So with those parameters in mind - it was a foul and it was a penalty.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yeah the Shearer comment was a bit tongue in cheek on my part. I should have added a wink smiley or similar. Goes to show though - that’s typical of what the people who make a living commenting on and talking about the game actually think.

For what it’s worth, I wish those sorts of decisions weren’t ever given as penalties. I wish that the slightest contact on a player didn’t result in them going down. I wish everyone thought that the concept of a player having “the right to go down” was as blinkin’ ridiculous as I do. However, as I’ve admitted recently here on these pages, I’m in a minority. The game has gone that way. Gamesmanship, trying to get an advantage, cheating - whatever you want to call it - is all part of the game and the slightest touch on a player is now, probably more often than not, given as a foul.

So with those parameters in mind - it was a foul and it was a penalty.

I agree they are not really penalties but they are given in so many games .


The consistency is shocking as the same ref will give it next week and VAR will back him up.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Yeah the Shearer comment was a bit tongue in cheek on my part. I should have added a wink smiley or similar. Goes to show though - that’s typical of what the people who make a living commenting on and talking about the game actually think.

For what it’s worth, I wish those sorts of decisions weren’t ever given as penalties. I wish that the slightest contact on a player didn’t result in them going down. I wish everyone thought that the concept of a player having “the right to go down” was as blinkin’ ridiculous as I do. However, as I’ve admitted recently here on these pages, I’m in a minority. The game has gone that way. Gamesmanship, trying to get an advantage, cheating - whatever you want to call it - is all part of the game and is celebrated by fans and pundits alike. The slightest touch on a player is now, probably more often than not, given as a foul.

So with those parameters in mind - it was a foul and it was a penalty.

The mantra " make the ref make a descision" has been at the fore from when Sky first started covering footy.
It's a horrible term, and has only increased the amount of feigning.

 

[paddyc]

The moronic booing of Declan Rice by the West Ham is pathetic. Love to see him score and kiss the badge.

 

[Swango1980]

Just remembering when Man City got a penalty v Utd, after Hojlund put his arm out and was judged to hold back City player (Rodri I think)

Trying to tell difference as to what Odegaard just did there to West Ham player???

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Just remembering when Man City got a penalty v Utd, after Hojlund put his arm out and was judged to hold back City player (Rodri I think)

Trying to tell difference as to what Odegaard just did there to West Ham player???

Apparently didn't hold onto the player for long enough ...

It's alright ref I pulled him but not for long enough

Would have been soft imo but still just shows how much is let go

 

[Beezerk]

Deja vu for Kalvin Philips, warming the bench again

 

[Deleted member 21784]

The moronic booing of Declan Rice by the West Ham is pathetic. Love to see him score and kiss the badge.

to be fair rice didnt handle his departure the best with the fans

just wrong words picked in interviews

"i left to win things"

well you just won something

"its another level here" ,.. true but not something you just come out with

even leading the chants in the huddle of the fans..

but what do we expect? the guy was "up the ra" until england came calling

chelsea fan until we came calling

its very much brand rice

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Deja vu for Kalvin Philips, warming the bench again

by time he gets up to speed it will be time for him to return to citys bench

 

[2blue]

Yeah the Shearer comment was a bit tongue in cheek on my part. I should have added a wink smiley or similar. Goes to show though - that’s typical of what the people who make a living commenting on and talking about the game actually think.

For what it’s worth, I wish those sorts of decisions weren’t ever given as penalties. I wish that the slightest contact on a player didn’t result in them going down. I wish everyone thought that the concept of a player having “the right to go down” was as blinkin’ ridiculous as I do. However, as I’ve admitted recently here on these pages, I’m in a minority. The game has gone that way. Gamesmanship, trying to get an advantage, cheating - whatever you want to call it - is all part of the game and is celebrated by fans and pundits alike. The slightest touch on a player is now, probably more often than not, given as a foul.

So with those parameters in mind - it was a foul and it was a penalty.

Except it wasn't that was it!
It was a player, a goalie, launching himself into a challenge, not getting the ball, forcing the player to hurdle him to avoid contact & then raising his arm to make it even more difficult. If you can't see the attacker's skill in forcing that situation then you really are living in the footballing 70's. Thank goodness the game has moved on!!

 

[RichA]

Except it wasn't that was it!
It was a player, a goalie, launching himself into a challenge, not getting the ball, forcing the player to hurdle him to avoid contact & then raising his arm to make it even more difficult. If you can't see the attacker's skill in forcing that situation then you really are living in the footballing 70's. Thank goodness the game has moved on!!

It's moved on to an era where the slightest contact justifies falling over and probably probably being judged a foul.
There was an interesting incident in one of the games yesterday - I think it was Luton v Sheffield Utd. A United attacker was lining up a shot. A Luton player prodded the ball away during the attacker's "downswing", which resulted in an airshot where the attacker's boot hit the Luton player's shin pad with pretty much full force. The Luton player didn't even flinch as the boot bounced off his shin. The attacker went down like he'd been shot.
Turns out shin pads do still work and the resulting vibration doesn't automatically produce a somersault.