The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1744200504379351464

Interesting

I didn't watch the game but are we certain he didn't just book him for the foul on the last one?

 

[RichA]

I didn't watch the game but are we certain he didn't just book him for the foul on the last one?

It was definitely for dissent. He seemed to be upset because it wasn't really a foul. They were both running and the other player put himself between Elliot and the ball then slammed the brakes on so Elliott ran into the back of his leg, then he threw himself on the grass to "win" a free kick.
I feel Arsenal have overtaken Man Utd as my last favourite team to watch for diving and histrionics.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I didn't watch the game but are we certain he didn't just book him for the foul on the last one?

He was booked for dissent

It’s the same with how Ben White got away with his “wrestling move” in Jones when he made him look a little silly

 

[Bdill93]

Football Random Irritation

The you tube watch alongs

Aftv
Mark Goldbridge etc

surely the only reason why people watch other people watching a game must to laugh at the reactions

The clips afterwards are amusing

The ones from AFTV yesterday are quite amusing -

And we have one of the biggest clowns - Anfield Agenda

I'm with you here... People watching people watch games... why?

Also agree that the clips can be brilliant, Goldbridge looses his head quite often and the clips have me laughing.

 

[Orikoru]

I guess it depends what they say specifically. I wouldn't want to see players booked just for saying 'FO' in the heat of the moment. But if it was a slightly more personal comment aimed at the ref, then it's more justified. e.g. saying FU rather than FO or calling him a see-you-next-Tuesday.

 

[Orikoru]

I'm with you here... People watching people watch games... why?

Also agree that the clips can be brilliant, Goldbridge looses his head quite often and the clips have me laughing.

Haven't you just answered your own question then?

 

[Hobbit]

I guess it depends what they say specifically. I wouldn't want to see players booked just for saying 'FO' in the heat of the moment. But if it was a slightly more personal comment aimed at the ref, then it's more justified. e.g. saying FU rather than FO or calling him a see-you-next-Tuesday.

I guess it depends how the refs view the workplace. I’ve worked in some settings where choice language has been the norm. Equally, I’ve worked in more genteel places. No one should be abused in the work place but it’s about context and, I guess, vehemence.

 

[SteveW86]

I guess it depends what they say specifically. I wouldn't want to see players booked just for saying 'FO' in the heat of the moment. But if it was a slightly more personal comment aimed at the ref, then it's more justified. e.g. saying FU rather than FO or calling him a see-you-next-Tuesday.

If a player tells the ref to F off, they should 100% be booked. It’s a respect thing

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I guess it depends what they say specifically. I wouldn't want to see players booked just for saying 'FO' in the heat of the moment. But if it was a slightly more personal comment aimed at the ref, then it's more justified. e.g. saying FU rather than FO or calling him a see-you-next-Tuesday.

Swearing at a referee should be an automatic yellow card - can’t excuse it with heat of the moment nonsense

 

[Bdill93]

Haven't you just answered your own question then?

Not really, clips are seconds long "best bits", a full 90 minute watch along cannot be as engaging surely!

 

[Tashyboy]

Some of the antics yesterday happened because the ref early doors failed to stamp his authority, coupled with the fact that once more we didn’t get consistency from him. It was always going to be a game that was deeply analysed. It is beyond me how a ref can accept a player telling him to F Off and do nothing. Especially when it is a nailed on foul. Yet he can give a booking because a player has kicked a ball away.
For me the officials this season have been shocking. With or without VAR

 

[Orikoru]

Swearing at a referee should be an automatic yellow card - can’t excuse it with heat of the moment nonsense

If a player tells the ref to F off, they should 100% be booked. It’s a respect thing

I guess everyone's different, I disagree personally. But I'm not someone who's offended by a naughty word here or there. To me, someone saying "oh, FO!" in a split second after a perceived poor decision is nothing more than an expression of anguish. If he gets in the ref's face and continues it, or says something more personal then that's different. If everyone was booked simply for swearing then every match would be abandoned by half time.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I guess everyone's different, I disagree personally. But I'm not someone who's offended by a naughty word here or there. To me, someone saying "oh, FO!" in a split second after a perceived poor decision is nothing more than an expression of anguish. If he gets in the ref's face and continues it, or says something more personal then that's different. If everyone was booked simply for swearing then every match would be abandoned by half time.

That's a football mentality though and we need to break that. Swearing at officials doesn't happen in most other sports, there are bound to be exceptions to this, why should it be okay in football? We are not saying swearing generally is banned, just swearing at the officials. That really should not be hard to manage.

 

[SteveW86]

I guess everyone's different, I disagree personally. But I'm not someone who's offended by a naughty word here or there. To me, someone saying "oh, FO!" in a split second after a perceived poor decision is nothing more than an expression of anguish. If he gets in the ref's face and continues it, or says something more personal then that's different. If everyone was booked simply for swearing then every match would be abandoned by half time.

I’m not offended by casual swearing, but this isn’t that.

The problem for me is the example it sets that the behaviour is acceptable. It filters down to grassroots levels, but also everyday life.

How would you react if your daughter was playing at school age and she told the ref to FO because she disagree with their decision?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I guess everyone's different, I disagree personally. But I'm not someone who's offended by a naughty word here or there. To me, someone saying "oh, FO!" in a split second after a perceived poor decision is nothing more than an expression of anguish. If he gets in the ref's face and continues it, or says something more personal then that's different. If everyone was booked simply for swearing then every match would be abandoned by half time.

Why are you excusing their behaviour- it was clear Jorginho was shouting abusive language - straight yellow , there is no need to be swearing at officials and it seems some football fans just try and ignore it as it’s “part of the game”

If you swear in many other sports you are off - anyone swears in hockey and they sit down for a rest for ten mins , same with rugby and that’s why it’s very seldom happens - because they have respect for the officials and know the consequences of swearing

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Why are you excusing their behaviour- it was clear Jorginho was shouting abusive language - straight yellow , there is no need to be swearing at officials and it seems some football fans just try and ignore it as it’s “part of the game”

If you swear in many other sports you are off - anyone swears in hockey and they sit down for a rest for ten mins , same with rugby and that’s why it’s very seldom happens - because they have respect for the officials and know the consequences of swearing

Why only yellow?

 

[Orikoru]

I’m not offended by casual swearing, but this isn’t that.

The problem for me is the example it sets that the behaviour is acceptable. It filters down to grassroots levels, but also everyday life.

How would you react if your daughter was playing at school age and she told the ref to FO because she disagree with their decision?

Probably laugh and blame her mum.

Why are you excusing their behaviour- it was clear Jorginho was shouting abusive language - straight yellow , there is no need to be swearing at officials and it seems some football fans just try and ignore it as it’s “part of the game”

If you swear in many other sports you are off - anyone swears in hockey and they sit down for a rest for ten mins , same with rugby and that’s why it’s very seldom happens - because they have respect for the officials and know the consequences of swearing

Swearing in the way they have is just an expression of anger, like swearing when you drop something on your foot. If they walked up to the ref got in his face and swore at him that's completely different to my mind. Must admit, watching the video again Jorginho's was borderline to that, as he seemed to be half-approaching the ref at the time.

I just don't see swearing as a big deal, in life or in sport. I find it all silly. If you choose not to be offended then it's just a word, a different jumble of letters. The ref here maybe had the same view point, quite happy for the players to blow off steam with a bit of swearing after a decision. Booking them all probably just winds them up and creates more problems to deal with down the line. It's about game management for him. No point overreacting to every swearword he hears.

 

[Bratty]

I'm jumping in on this, because I used to referee under 16s, albeit years ago.
Some of the kids were truly shocking in their behaviour, and I'm convinced some of that is down to what they saw on TV. And it's worse than ever on TV now, so I hate to think what grassroots refs endure.
That said, the Dads were worse! 14 year old kids on the pitch and some of the things being shouted were horrific. Not just at me, but the opposition kids, coaches, etc.
Gave up after 2 seasons, because it was hugely unpleasant for virtually no money.

 

[Bratty]

Why are you excusing their behaviour- it was clear Jorginho was shouting abusive language - straight yellow , there is no need to be swearing at officials and it seems some football fans just try and ignore it as it’s “part of the game”

If you swear in many other sports you are off - anyone swears in hockey and they sit down for a rest for ten mins , same with rugby and that’s why it’s very seldom happens - because they have respect for the officials and know the consequences of swearing

Agree completely.
Football is a joke for discipline and players and managers alike need to suck it up and stay silent.
There's a process for raising complaints or issues and it ain't on the pitch.

 

[SteveW86]

I'm jumping in on this, because I used to referee under 16s, albeit years ago.
Some of the kids were truly shocking in their behaviour, and I'm convinced some of that is down to what they saw on TV. And it's worse than ever on TV now, so I hate to think what grassroots refs endure.
That said, the Dads were worse! 14 year old kids on the pitch and some of the things being shouted were horrific. Not just at me, but the opposition kids, coaches, etc.
Gave up after 2 seasons, because it was hugely unpleasant for virtually no money.

Is that where you learnt all your naughty words?