The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

I am not so sure. Let us say an investment organisation, Let us say PIF as an example, offered each club a billion pounds a year to take part as well as ticket cash etc. There would be a massive impact on home support yes but would the global support care what league they were playing in etc.

This will be the true indicator as to whether football has been totally sold to investors, if the clubs look at overseas money and fans over home support then you have your answer

If this money was being offered to a single individual, then sure, I can see many individuals taking the money.

But if the money was offered to a huge organisation with a massive global reach already, what would be the point? And, for clubs like Man City and Newcastle, are they going to take the money? I don't think they are desperate for it, in fact the complete opposite. I mean, PIF own Newcastle United anyway, so are they going to be excited if they offer themselves a billion pounds a year?

 

[GB72]

Lets take Liverpool for example.

You think the club earning a billion would make their fans think oh yeah sound lets just never win the English league again and just compete weekly against Real, Barca and Juve......

Stadium would be empty, no one would care about the results.

They do care about beating Everton, United etc.

Not at all. What this will do is see whether there remains any real long term concern for the home fans. The club could take a billion a year and still sell the ground out to a large extent to sports tourists etc and the fans in the far east and other regions I suspect would care less about who the opposition is.

As I said, this would be an interesting litmus test on what, if any, consideration, concern and need the clubs have for the home fans.

 

[GB72]

If this money was being offered to a single individual, then sure, I can see many individuals taking the money.

But if the money was offered to a huge organisation with a massive global reach already, what would be the point? And, for clubs like Man City and Newcastle, are they going to take the money? I don't think they are desperate for it, in fact the complete opposite. I mean, PIF own Newcastle United anyway, so are they going to be excited if they offer themselves a billion pounds a year?

It would be interesting to see how they would react. Nothing suggests to me that, however much money a club has, they will ever see it as enough.

Much of that I am saying is me playing devils advocate but it would be interesting to see how the scales balance if you had a mountain of cash on the one hand and the home fans on the other.

 

[TimShady]

But the law has changed. This year - to make it illegal.

A European super league is only possible with the strongest nations included and both England and Germany's fans are too powerful to let them join.

Has the law changed yet?

 

[Swango1980]

The interesting things is, I think the current proposals have no desire of breaking up domestic leagues. Games would be played midweek, and it seems the point is to replace the UEFA Champions League, Europa League and Europa Conference Leagues.

Given that UEFA continually add more competitions / fixtures to European competition every year, would a European Super League feel much different to what we already have?

if ESL is to replace domestic football, I can see there being a huge backlash. If the ESL is to replace the UEFA competitions, maybe fans would be more on board?

 

[Tashyboy]

Plans for revamped European Super League announced

Revamped plans for a controversial European Super League are announced after a top court rules that banning clubs from joining a breakaway league was unlawful.

www.bbc.co.uk

that didn’t take long

 

[IanM]

So. One iffy organisation ruled on the scope of other iffy organisations.

If I understand it correctly, now in the EU, the governing bodies of sports can't govern their sports. What happens about sports events where not all participants are inside the EU?

 

[Tashyboy]

So. One iffy organisation ruled on the scope of other iffy organisations.

If I understand it correctly, now in the EU, the governing bodies of sports can't govern their sports. What happens about sports events where not all participants are inside the EU?

From Citys point of view I think they will be looking at this decision very carefully, as will other clubs. If they are saying
Quote,
“Moreover, given their arbitrary nature, their rules on approval, control and sanctions must be held to be unjustified restrictions on the freedom to provide services”.
They UEFA and The Premier league are doing that by imposing FFP. I think a grenade has been thrown into a wasps nest.

 

[Bdill93]

Has the law changed yet?

As far as I am aware the process is in motion for an independent regulator in the UK and a ban on breakaway leagues.

It may not be legally binding yet, but you can bet it will be very soon after the ruling.

The interesting things is, I think the current proposals have no desire of breaking up domestic leagues. Games would be played midweek, and it seems the point is to replace the UEFA Champions League, Europa League and Europa Conference Leagues.

Given that UEFA continually add more competitions / fixtures to European competition every year, would a European Super League feel much different to what we already have?

if ESL is to replace domestic football, I can see there being a huge backlash. If the ESL is to replace the UEFA competitions, maybe fans would be more on board?

I believe that the do want to just replace the Champions League with their format yes, but in practice that doesn't work.

1) Every Super League clubs finances would outstretch their domestic league competition dramatically
2) Would we award champions league sports from 7th down to 11th league finishers?
3) English sides have the upper hand, we already have the most money. We are in a better position of strength staying as we are..

 

[GB72]

As far as I am aware the process is in motion for an independent regulator in the UK and a ban on breakaway leagues.

It may not be legally binding yet, but you can bet it will be very soon after the ruling.



I believe that the do want to just replace the Champions League with their format yes, but in practice that doesn't work.

1) Every Super League clubs finances would outstretch their domestic league competition dramatically
2) Would we award champions league sports from 7th down to 11th league finishers?
3) English sides have the upper hand, we already have the most money. We are in a better position of strength staying as we are..

I guess the problem is that when you look at the ownership of the types of clubs that a European league would be interested in, how many have owners that you would trust to maintain the interests of the club and the home fans over a pile of hard cash.

Things will move forward as the Spanish clubs are desperate for the cash but whether it gets any traction is yet to be seen.

 

[Swango1980]

I wonder if it is a reason why the Glazers have been hanging on for so long. Wait to see what happened with the appeal, and if there is any more opportunity to make much more cash.

 

[GB72]

I wonder if it is a reason why the Glazers have been hanging on for so long. Wait to see what happened with the appeal, and if there is any more opportunity to make much more cash.

That was something that crossed my mind I have to admit.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Not including English sides it wont.

You seem to skip over the part that they made it illegal for it to happen.

I wasn't including the English clubs, as Sky won't wear it.

 

[Bdill93]

I guess the problem is that when you look at the ownership of the types of clubs that a European league would be interested in, how many have owners that you would trust to maintain the interests of the club and the home fans over a pile of hard cash.

Things will move forward as the Spanish clubs are desperate for the cash but whether it gets any traction is yet to be seen.

Stadiums being full is very important - even for TV viewing.

 

[Bdill93]

I wonder if it is a reason why the Glazers have been hanging on for so long. Wait to see what happened with the appeal, and if there is any more opportunity to make much more cash.

Probably. United is their cash cow. They're going nowhere, they just need help in appointing people who actually know what they are doing running a sports team.

 

[Swango1980]

As far as I am aware the process is in motion for an independent regulator in the UK and a ban on breakaway leagues.

It may not be legally binding yet, but you can bet it will be very soon after the ruling.



I believe that the do want to just replace the Champions League with their format yes, but in practice that doesn't work.

1) Every Super League clubs finances would outstretch their domestic league competition dramatically
2) Would we award champions league sports from 7th down to 11th league finishers?
3) English sides have the upper hand, we already have the most money. We are in a better position of strength staying as we are..

1. Does this matter? That seems a reason for everyone to be even more up for it.
2. I can see qualification being an issue. If the bottom clubs in the 3rd tier of the European Super League are relegated, none of these clubs may be English. All the English clubs may remain safe from complete relegation from ESL. But then that would mean that, domestically, no other English clubs could qualify, unless their coefficient changes. So, you could have years in which all the English ESL clubs remain safe, but domestically they have been overtaken by clubs not in ESL
3. Certainly a reason for them not to be desperate to go for it. Can only imagine they'd be willing if they think other big European clubs would overtake them financially, although hard to see ESL work well unless there is 100% commitment from all nations

 

[GB72]

Stadiums being full is very important - even for TV viewing.

That is true but you could argue that some clubs could get a pretty full ground based on sports tourism. Equally, if the club received massive revenue boosts from this and as a result looked to 'bribe' the home fan base with very low season ticket costs as a benefit, would they hold out. Would only need to do that for a few years before it became the norm and they could creep the prices up again.

As I mentioned before, not saying any of this will happen but just thought it was a point worth debating so I took the contrary argument as most are of the opinion that fan power is stronger than anything and it is certainly something that will be interesting to see.

The thing I see is that certain clubs in Europe was guaranteed entry in to the top tournaments and bucket loads of cash. Young upstart clubs are threatening that previously closed shop and so it will be in interesting to see the continued reaction to this.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Will it affect FIFAS world club championship in the future. Watch this space.

Would anyone care? Is there a more pointless club competition out there?

 

[Aztecs27]

I remain hopeful for you that he becomes your Dean Smith.

Will always have hero status at Villa Park for getting us back up into the prem and the turnaround of the club.

Cooper deserved better and I've yet to see a Forest fan happy about this decision.

There's not many but a small minority of Football Manager/FIFA experts are happy he's gone. In all honesty, it was probably time for a change - Things have been rubbish (other than the Villa win) for quote sometime with very little evidence of it improving. There's a really good article on the Athletic about Cooper's time at Forest and how difficult it can be to work with Marinakis et al which probably explains why the broken relationships were past the point of no return and why things weren't in a good place.

Hopefully he's our Unai Emery tbf

He did a good job at Wolves and has had a few years to ponder his awful (albeit it short) run at Spurs, so I'll back him until he gives me reason not to.

 

[Tashyboy]

Would anyone care? Is there a more pointless club competition out there?

I think the reason that FIFA rushed through its club super league is because it knew what was coming with this case. My belief is that FIFA and UEFA still want to rule the roost on elite football and this is there way of patronising or pleasing the top clubs. Time will tell if it has. I think a super league or a FIFA world club champions is a pointless trophy.

unless we win it tomorrow

One thing is for certain. Once more it is about money money money and not fans, players or anyone that don’t sit at the top table.