Tashyboy
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For me where it becomes problematic is that there is no feedback from officials when they muck up. It’s the silence that’s the problem. Fess up, apologise and move on.
For me where it becomes problematic is that there is no feedback from officials when they muck up. It’s the silence that’s the problem. Fess up, apologise and move on.
Swango1980
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And Spurs would have acted with complete calmness if, in another game, James Maddison was running through on goal in that position and the ref stopped play???
Orikoru
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Well they have started to release the VAR discussions lately, but that only makes things worse when we all realise what an absolute car crash it is in there.
But yeah a quick interview after the game would do the trick, as with the managers. Then he only has to say "I gave the foul immediately but the whistle wasn't heard so I blew it again". Or, "I was going to give advantage, but I believed Grealish was miles offside - apologies."
Swango1980
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That was my theory, certainly seems most plausible. I can't imagine the ref just assumed there was no advantage once he saw Grealish running through on goal
Orikoru
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Probably not, but I would have. As I say, it was a good 40+ yards from goal, not exactly a guaranteed goal.
Swango1980
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Come on now. Even the best referees of all time do not have the ability to see through the bodies of multiple players. Nor is the referee watching the game from the lens of the television camera.
If all he saw was a long ball going to nobody but the defenders / goalkeeper, you could understand his first reaction is to assume City have no advantage. For a bit, Sky sports did that VR analysis section with Jamie Carragher in a headset, giving us the players view. I used to think it was tacky and not worthwhile as they seemed to get it out every show just because they have it. However, it would have been interesting to see the refs view yesterday.
Swango1980
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The odds of a goal were a hell of a lot higher than having a free kick from where Haaland was fouled. The problem is, we were all robbed of ever finding out what would have happened. Spurs fans will be relieved that they never have to find out, Man City fans massively frustrated.
Orikoru
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Oh well. Maybe the ref realised that City not winning is always better for the Premier League as a competition.
Bdill93
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Not when its Grealish clean through! Quality player for sure but he's not exactly clinical
Bunkermagnet
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He’d mostly be tripped up by an overly long blade of grass…..
RichA
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Haaland was the highest paid man on the pitch and apparently couldn't hit a barn door during the match.
Has he accepted any blame for his part in the failure to win or is he still joining the pile on of the worst paid man on the pitch for his one honest mistake?
Steve Wilkes
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This is what I think was the reason, but nearly everyone else thinks the ref has 3-D vision, knows what all the players were thinking and knows what the Lino was thinking and what the players would have done if he had played-on. Come on the ref saw Haarland chip the ball forward and thought no advantage and blew his whistle
clubchamp98
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Why did he signal play on if he could not see Grealish?
it’s a shocking decision.
I think the real tell tale sign is the reaction of the fourth official ( A Taylor) I think.
Just look at his face when Pep ask the question!
We might hear and see what went on next time Howard Webbs on Refs miked up.
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Tashyboy
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I try think the fortunate thing about Haaland is that Pep will tell him and the others that there performance was not up to standard. Haaland like most pros are going to have a bad day at the office. However when it comes to officials it is every week it happens and we have these discussions.
clubchamp98
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The ref probably had the same view as Haaland and he could see Grealish enough to play a great through ball.!!
clubchamp98
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Maybe take a leaf out of the golf handicap rules MLS.
MLG Most Likley Goal ,will he score or won’t he
Only the ref knows ,until he tells us we’re just speculating.
Whatever his excuse it should be fun!
Swango1980
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Because, when he signalled to play on, he was looking directly at Haaland. Haaland got up rapidly and still had possession of the ball, which is exactly the moment the referee put his arm out to signal play on.
Haaland then immediately hoofed it forward. At this point, it is impossible to know what the referee saw or thought, but he stopped play. I think either:
- He hasn't seen Grealish as one of the defenders was directly in his line (A Grealish Eclipse), felt the ball was simply going to a Spurs player and stopped play for a City free kick.
- He has seen Grealish but his depth perception has a serious lapse. Maybe he thought the defenders were goalside of Grealish, or maybe he felt the ball was going further than it did, and straight to the keeper. I suspect this is less likely, because even if this was the case, you'd think he'd wait until a player got possession of the ball.
Swango1980
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He definitely didn't have the same view as Haaland. Haaland was about 4 or 5 yards to the left of the referee
clubchamp98
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Isn’t this a classic case of why they have been told to let play go on until the phase of play is over ?
Earlier on there was a offside by miles but they let it run and the player or Edison could have been hurt.
Pep was complaining why the offside wasn’t given.!
The rules are a mess now ,but he has no VAR crutch to bail him out this time.
Swango1980
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But this is simply how it must work if we are to use VAR for offside. Otherwise, one day a linesman will indicate offside, play will stop (no risk of injury) but all hell will break loose when it it shown the player was actually onside. They can stick the flag up if the offside is immediately obvious. But, even the most obvious offsides in that instant sometimes end up being onside. There have been plenty of times I've heard commentators say "he was miles offside" or words to that effect. Then the replay is shown and then it is "ooooo, actually, that is really really tight" and sometimes it even ends up the player is onside. I've felt it as a fan as well, and we get a pretty good view of the pitch.
So, offside might appear obvious, and often it may well be miles offside. But, if you are a linesman running up and down the pitch like a crab, and trying to look at when the pass is kicked and simultaneously looking to see where the forward attacker is stood, with other players on the pitch maybe getting in the way, it may not appear as obvious as we see it from a nice wide angle where we can see both passer and receiver in the same view. And if you have a forward sprinting forwards and defenders running to push up, you can have a player being in an onside position, and then a millisecond later being a long way offside.
Only way to solve the above it automated offside, but I'm not sure that even gives almost instant feedback? I think they still have to let the attack continue, but the automation gives them the answer much more quickly than what we get in PL
