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Swango1980 said:
So, proportionally, teams score more times from a set piece that they do from a moment within open play. After all, the team will have the ball in open play a lot more than they have attacking set pieces.

Every time West Ham have a corner, it looks like they'll score.

Mind you, England don't have JWP so it may be academic
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Have you seen west ham play?
They barely have possession of the ball at any time except by accident :)
#moyesball
 
Slime said:
If I'd been red carded for that I would have been extremely tempted to slap that Argentinian in the face as I was walking off.
At least the red card wouldn't have been wasted, then.

Absolutely scandalous.
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It is my understanding that VAR was in place, which makes it even more despicable. The Argentine player should be suspended for clear play acting, and the officials should be suspended for clear incompetence.

You're right, if you are going to get a red card for punching someone in the face, then you might as well punch someone in the face. And the Argentine player gave him a very good reason to want to do so.
 
rudebhoy said:
Easy way to get round FFP, get your Arab team to spend fortunes on EPL players, then loan them out to your EPL team. A joke.
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The tricky thing for a number of clubs though is that they have links with clubs in Europe themselves. They are not big money clubs, they are usually ones they send their youngster to to get experience, but they would get caught up in the same ban. They can not outright ban just SA teams so they were caught by this.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The tricky thing for a number of clubs though is that they have links with clubs in Europe themselves. They are not big money clubs, they are usually ones they send their youngster to to get experience, but they would get caught up in the same ban. They can not outright ban just SA teams so they were caught by this.
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Probably wouldn't be too tricky if they added conditions, such as:

If a player has been transferred to a club in the last 12 months, if they are then sent on loan, then the club who has the player on loan must absorb that cost as part of their FFP figures. So, if a club loans an up and coming youngster from a club who came through their system, no cost implications at all. But if they loan a player from a club that just bought the player for £100 million, then the club that takes the player on loan has that cost added to their outgoings in terms of the FFP calculation.
 
Swango1980 said:
Probably wouldn't be too tricky if they added conditions, such as:

If a player has been transferred to a club in the last 12 months, if they are then sent on loan, then the club who has the player on loan must absorb that cost as part of their FFP figures. So, if a club loans an up and coming youngster from a club who came through their system, no cost implications at all. But if they loan a player from a club that just bought the player for £100 million, then the club that takes the player on loan has that cost added to their outgoings in terms of the FFP calculation.
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Certainly one for the lawyers to work out the wording. It's manageable and maybe something will be done for next season. Perhaps this January was too soon to get it right.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Have you seen the list of which clubs voted against the amendment?
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Newcastle, Manchester City, Chelsea, Sheffield United, Everton, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Nottingham Forest and Burnley.

The first three are no surprise, Forest either, the other 3 were interesting. Everton may have voted against because they are just hacked off right now with the league :LOL:
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Newcastle, Manchester City, Chelsea, Sheffield United, Everton, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Nottingham Forest and Burnley.

The first three are no surprise, Forest either, the other 3 were interesting. Everton may have voted against because they are just hacked off right now with the league :LOL:
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Wolves might have felt it stepped on the toes of their ability to loan in more Portuguese players at the drop of a hat?? Not sure what's in it for Sheffield or Burnley. Everton just don't want any restrictions on loans and free transfers since they don't have a pot to pee in.

Edit: Or maybe City or Newcastle agreed to bung Everton £50 mil for a rubbish player if they vote the correct way. 😆
 
Orikoru said:
Wolves might have felt it stepped on the toes of their ability to loan in more Portuguese players at the drop of a hat?? Not sure what's in it for Sheffield or Burnley. Everton just don't want any restrictions on loans and free transfers since they don't have a pot to pee in.

Edit: Or maybe City or Newcastle agreed to bung Everton £50 mil for a rubbish player if they vote the correct way. 😆
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We'll take that 🤣
 
Neilds said:
Why do people keep throwing out this pointless stat? Most free kicks don’t result in goals, even JWP (who is considered the best dead ball player) is only scoring 2 a year!
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It’s not a pointless stat when you keep the ball and slow down play 👍
It’s not just about scoring
 
Tashyboy said:
It’s not a pointless stat when you keep the ball and slow down play 👍
It’s not just about scoring
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It bis interesting Grealish gets so much stick. I'd take him in a heartbeat at Man Utd.

He is ridiculous, in that I never really see him get dispossessed, it seems incredibly rare that he does. I think that is a huge asset. Of course he is going to win a lot of free kicks. If defenders can't get the ball off him, and he is managing to keep hold of it, they are eventually going to hack him down. It is either that, or allow him to dribble closer to goal, or wait longer for a teammate to receive a dangerous pass. Defenders at that level are not going to allow that to happen. Also, some will just hack him down out of frustration.

Players like Saka will be faster and more direct, and get a lot more praise when that comes off. It'll probably also be them directly scoring or assisting the goal. But, they'll get dispossessed more often as well. So, when people criticize Grealish for winning free kicks instead of assisting or scoring a goal by being direct, I don't even think it is between having those 2 outcomes. It is probably more like, would you rather Grealish is fouled and gets a free-kick OR show the defender the ball and get dispossessed?

I think he is the perfect player if you want to wear teams down by trying to keep the ball off them, and making sure the game doesn't become too hectic and expose yourself to conceding stupid goals on the counter. He is probably an excellent player to play against teams that like to sit deep and make it hard for more direct players. He also seems to work hard off the ball, which doesn't get mentioned much. But maybe he gets criticised more when the team ultimately don't score, or score enough, because he is ultimately in possession a lot, and so he considered most at fault. Whereas another attacker could hide away most of the game, yet suddenly become involved in 1 or 2 quick dangerous attacks and they get praised for their overall performance.
 
Swango1980 said:
It bis interesting Grealish gets so much stick. I'd take him in a heartbeat at Man Utd.

He is ridiculous, in that I never really see him get dispossessed, it seems incredibly rare that he does. I think that is a huge asset. Of course he is going to win a lot of free kicks. If defenders can't get the ball off him, and he is managing to keep hold of it, they are eventually going to hack him down. It is either that, or allow him to dribble closer to goal, or wait longer for a teammate to receive a dangerous pass. Defenders at that level are not going to allow that to happen. Also, some will just hack him down out of frustration.

Players like Saka will be faster and more direct, and get a lot more praise when that comes off. It'll probably also be them directly scoring or assisting the goal. But, they'll get dispossessed more often as well. So, when people criticize Grealish for winning free kicks instead of assisting or scoring a goal by being direct, I don't even think it is between having those 2 outcomes. It is probably more like, would you rather Grealish is fouled and gets a free-kick OR show the defender the ball and get dispossessed?

I think he is the perfect player if you want to wear teams down by trying to keep the ball off them, and making sure the game doesn't become too hectic and expose yourself to conceding stupid goals on the counter. He is probably an excellent player to play against teams that like to sit deep and make it hard for more direct players. He also seems to work hard off the ball, which doesn't get mentioned much. But maybe he gets criticised more when the team ultimately don't score, or score enough, because he is ultimately in possession a lot, and so he considered most at fault. Whereas another attacker could hide away most of the game, yet suddenly become involved in 1 or 2 quick dangerous attacks and they get praised for their overall performance.
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There was one piece of play last season v Liverpool when Grealish chased back v Salah and stopped a clear goal scoring chance. Within a
Minute he was up the other end and made an assist for a goal. That changed the game. It changed a lot of people’s and fans attitude towards him. The bits you mention are massively important to his game. A game he changed from the player he was at Villa. From city’s point of view they now have another player in Doku who is a faster stronger version of Saka.
 
Swango1980 said:
It bis interesting Grealish gets so much stick. I'd take him in a heartbeat at Man Utd.

He is ridiculous, in that I never really see him get dispossessed, it seems incredibly rare that he does. I think that is a huge asset. Of course he is going to win a lot of free kicks. If defenders can't get the ball off him, and he is managing to keep hold of it, they are eventually going to hack him down. It is either that, or allow him to dribble closer to goal, or wait longer for a teammate to receive a dangerous pass. Defenders at that level are not going to allow that to happen. Also, some will just hack him down out of frustration.

Players like Saka will be faster and more direct, and get a lot more praise when that comes off. It'll probably also be them directly scoring or assisting the goal. But, they'll get dispossessed more often as well. So, when people criticize Grealish for winning free kicks instead of assisting or scoring a goal by being direct, I don't even think it is between having those 2 outcomes. It is probably more like, would you rather Grealish is fouled and gets a free-kick OR show the defender the ball and get dispossessed?

I think he is the perfect player if you want to wear teams down by trying to keep the ball off them, and making sure the game doesn't become too hectic and expose yourself to conceding stupid goals on the counter. He is probably an excellent player to play against teams that like to sit deep and make it hard for more direct players. He also seems to work hard off the ball, which doesn't get mentioned much. But maybe he gets criticised more when the team ultimately don't score, or score enough, because he is ultimately in possession a lot, and so he considered most at fault. Whereas another attacker could hide away most of the game, yet suddenly become involved in 1 or 2 quick dangerous attacks and they get praised for their overall performance.
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You make it sound like Grealish never ever gives the ball away and Saka does. Saka has a higher pass completion rate than Grealish by miles so while your eyes may tell you one thing, the data disagrees. Even Rashford gives the ball away less and he's one of the most scatty attackers in the league. You're massively disrespecting Saka here, who is on another level to Grealish.

Grealish is just a good player who was carried by his team mates last season. He brings nothing to the table for England apart from feeding Southgate's obsession with slow and needless possession. His best attribute is being a laugh in the dressing room..
 
4LEX said:
You make it sound like Grealish never ever gives the ball away and Saka does. Saka has a higher pass completion rate than Grealish by miles so while your eyes may tell you one thing, the data disagrees. Even Rashford gives the ball away less and he's one of the most scatty attackers in the league. You're massively disrespecting Saka here, who is on another level to Grealish.

Grealish is just a good player who was carried by his team mates last season. He brings nothing to the table for England apart from feeding Southgate's obsession with slow and needless possession. His best attribute is being a laugh in the dressing room..
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So, I was talking about losing the ball whilst in possession, rather than completed passes.

Yet now that I've had a 10 minute search, every website I've looked at has Grealish with a higher pass completion % than Saka
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Newcastle, Manchester City, Chelsea, Sheffield United, Everton, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Nottingham Forest and Burnley.

The first three are no surprise, Forest either, the other 3 were interesting. Everton may have voted against because they are just hacked off right now with the league :LOL:
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Sheff U have Saudi owners who have stakes in other clubs in France, Belgium, Dubai and India

Everton's potential new owners have stakes in Genoa, Vasco di Gama, Hertha Berlin, Standard Liege and a minority stake in Sevilla

Burnleys ownership are in talks with Dundee about "talent sharing".
 
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