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I can never be sure, robbed again it seems.
I am an Everton supporter but my kids aged 16 and 13 support Wolves. The main thing I said to them was both Penalities given against Wolves this one and the Newcastle one were given away by Strikers and we know Strikers cannot defend, same for the Newcastle one against Man Utd with Hojlund. While I think all 3 were soft penalties keep strikers away from defending in the box.
 
I am an Everton supporter but my kids aged 16 and 13 support Wolves. The main thing I said to them was both Penalities given against Wolves this one and the Newcastle one were given away by Strikers and we know Strikers cannot defend, same for the Newcastle one against Man Utd with Hojlund. While I think all 3 were soft penalties keep strikers away from defending in the box.

I think we need to just leave them up top and let the defenders do their jobs. Can't help feeling hard done by both of them.
 
Yeah, they have been a shambles so far this year. And lots of factors in play. The manager is probably the least of their worries.

Everyone knows the club is a circus. I think it is fair to say that, if Utd went out and just got one of the best managers in the world agreed by most people, they wouldn't suddenly become world beaters, or at least right up there competing with best. If anyone did think that, then maybe Utd are a lot stronger as a club than I thought, and all we need is a new manager, who can scout all the best players, to come in and do the business.

Why is it about scouting the best players? Why isn't it about working with what you've got? Postecoglu has come in to a Spurs side that has lost their best player and got them playing some very good football within a very short space of time. He hasn't spent a fortune bringing in the best players in the world, in the main he's worked with the players that were already there. Yes, they've added Johnson, Maddison, Van den Ven and a couple of others but they've also lost Kane. Ten Hag has had 18 months at United, and spent over £400 million on bringing in players that I assume he wanted to bring in and when you watch United you have no idea of how they are trying to play. I'm not trying to say that it is all the fault of Ten Hag but I assume that he has given the go ahead to bring in the players that have been signed, even if he's not responsible for the valuations, so he must have wanted those players. From an outside viewpoint the philosophy at United seems to be to spend a load of money and throw those players on the pitch and hope it works out ok.
 
Why is it about scouting the best players? Why isn't it about working with what you've got? Postecoglu has come in to a Spurs side that has lost their best player and got them playing some very good football within a very short space of time. He hasn't spent a fortune bringing in the best players in the world, in the main he's worked with the players that were already there. Yes, they've added Johnson, Maddison, Van den Ven and a couple of others but they've also lost Kane. Ten Hag has had 18 months at United, and spent over £400 million on bringing in players that I assume he wanted to bring in and when you watch United you have no idea of how they are trying to play. I'm not trying to say that it is all the fault of Ten Hag but I assume that he has given the go ahead to bring in the players that have been signed, even if he's not responsible for the valuations, so he must have wanted those players. From an outside viewpoint the philosophy at United seems to be to spend a load of money and throw those players on the pitch and hope it works out ok.
No european football and exiting the league cup early has benifitted Postecoglu and Spurs. The fixture list has been kind to them too.
 
No european football and exiting the league cup early has benifitted Postecoglu and Spurs. The fixture list has been kind to them too.

That's a fair point that I hadn't considered, although they have beaten United at home (yes I know it's 'only' United), Liverpool at home (yes, it was in 'that' game but it is still a home win against Liverpool) and drawn with Arsenal away. Chelsea, Villa and Newcastle at home along with Man City and Brighton away before New Year will give a much better idea of their place in the hierarchy and of the job that Postecoglu is doing.

Just had a look at their run in and in April they've got Newcastle away and Man City and Arsenal at home, and then in May they've got Liverpool away so not an easy run of games. They do finish with Burnley at home and Sheff Utd away so if they're still up there at the end of the season you'd expect them to get 6 points from their last two games.
 
That's a fair point that I hadn't considered, although they have beaten United at home (yes I know it's 'only' United), Liverpool at home (yes, it was in 'that' game but it is still a home win against Liverpool) and drawn with Arsenal away. Chelsea, Villa and Newcastle at home along with Man City and Brighton away before New Year will give a much better idea of their place in the hierarchy and of the job that Postecoglu is doing.

Just had a look at their run in and in April they've got Newcastle away and Man City and Arsenal at home, and then in May they've got Liverpool away so not an easy run of games. They do finish with Burnley at home and Sheff Utd away so if they're still up there at the end of the season you'd expect them to get 6 points from their last two games.
Not playing in europe allows them to train for 5 days solid irrespective of the fixture list. Every new manager that goes into any club always stipulates the need for time on the training ground.

He has still done a good job to date though.
 
Why is it about scouting the best players? Why isn't it about working with what you've got? Postecoglu has come in to a Spurs side that has lost their best player and got them playing some very good football within a very short space of time. He hasn't spent a fortune bringing in the best players in the world, in the main he's worked with the players that were already there. Yes, they've added Johnson, Maddison, Van den Ven and a couple of others but they've also lost Kane. Ten Hag has had 18 months at United, and spent over £400 million on bringing in players that I assume he wanted to bring in and when you watch United you have no idea of how they are trying to play. I'm not trying to say that it is all the fault of Ten Hag but I assume that he has given the go ahead to bring in the players that have been signed, even if he's not responsible for the valuations, so he must have wanted those players. From an outside viewpoint the philosophy at United seems to be to spend a load of money and throw those players on the pitch and hope it works out ok.
Personally, I'm not sure Spurs have been fantastic. Have they? They've been solid, they've not been Spursy. Although at times I also think they've had a bit of luck go their way as well.

If they finish in Champions League and win a cup then all credit to them and the manager.
 
Personally, I'm not sure Spurs have been fantastic. Have they? They've been solid, they've not been Spursy. Although at times I also think they've had a bit of luck go their way as well.

If they finish in Champions League and win a cup then all credit to them and the manager.
The football is absolute night and day from the last two seasons to this. The formation, style, mentality all completely different. The players even look happy and more motivated then they did before. It is a bit of column A and a bit of column B though - yes the manager has done a complete turnaround in no time, but recruitment was key also, because without Maddison or Van de Ven we wouldn't be where we are either. Both incredible signings - and not just because they're better than what we had, it's more than that - if either of them wasn't in the side we'd be physically unable to play the way we're playing. (God help us if they get injured but that's another story.)
 
Make that 7 ! I didnt go as I had golf (rained off) Shots sold their ticket allocation within hours.

My mates who are there don't believe what they are seeing!!

Only took up the small allocation though and not the full away end.... ;)
 
In Ten Hag's defence:

When he took over, Utd were a shambles. Really really bad. Despite having no proper striker all season, he still managed to get Utd to 3rd in the league, won the EFL Cup, final of FA Cup and was looking good in Europe until the crazy game that put us put, as the team still showed that weak spot at times.

It wasn't bad at all. And players like Martinez and Casemiro that came in were heaped with praise.

This season, things have been bad. It was clear club were happy to sell Maguire, wanted to, expected to and everyone else seemed to feel it was a good idea. Changed captaincy. Then Maguire decided to stay anyway, the whole first choice defence got injured, bought players arrived injured, Sancho is obviously hard work, Antony got arrested, players lost form. A lot of that is beyond Ten Hag's control, just been a complete mess. Thankfully Maguire did actually stay in end, and a master stroke they signed Evans.

But 2 to 3 months of a season, it is a joke to just write him off after a good 1st season. I'm sure he has made mistakes, but all managers do.

But we'll never win, same at other clubs I guess. Keep a manager after a bad spell and club are a joke for keeping a bad manager. Get rid of manager after 2 or 3 seasons, club are a joke for not giving them more time.

More a sign of desperation, as opposed to a masterstroke. He'd struggle to get a game at most PL clubs.

The mistake ETH made was arrogantly ignoring Rangnick's verdict on the squad and transfer targets. Ralf was a poor manager but his strength was always about recruitment. He should've been shifted to DOF and overseen the transfer side of operations. If you look at his list of targets they're night and day better than ETH's woeful signings.

This run of easy games was always going to see ETH get another few months. Amazing how those Utd fans who have been laying into Bruno have gone quiet, he might have his faults but he always puts in a shift and has been one of the best signings in the whole league over the last 3-4 years. The performance was shocking yet again but to give him his credit, Onana had a cracking game for once and made a couple of key saves 👀
 
I have just seen the highlights of the toon v gunners game , VAR what are you doing ? Are you blind ?
I am not a gunner fan but they have been cheated just like Liverpool were and probably many other teams with the absolute diabolical decisions that VAR dish out week in week out . The ball was way off the pitch no part of any of the ball was in play. But VAR decide that Stevie wonder is in charge again.
I have been an advocate of VAR in the past but the rubbish being dealt to teams this season is beyond belief.
I've totally had my gabbber well and truly flasted .
 
I have just seen the highlights of the toon v gunners game , VAR what are you doing ? Are you blind ?
I am not a gunner fan but they have been cheated just like Liverpool were and probably many other teams with the absolute diabolical decisions that VAR dish out week in week out . The ball was way off the pitch no part of any of the ball was in play. But VAR decide that Stevie wonder is in charge again.
I have been an advocate of VAR in the past but the rubbish being dealt to teams this season is beyond belief.
I've totally had my gabbber well and truly flasted .
The problem with the ball being out was that they didn't have the angle to prove it. It looked out in real time but the camera angles couldn't show and prove it. If they couldn't show it as fact then they had to stick with the onfield decision. That wasn't the fault of var, they just need even more cameras 😄. The other parts of the goal were fine, Arteta just threw his toys out of the pram.

As mentioned in previous posts, both teams should have been down to 10 though, var bottled those decisions.
 
The problem with the ball being out was that they didn't have the angle to prove it. It looked out in real time but the camera angles couldn't show and prove it. If they couldn't show it as fact then they had to stick with the onfield decision. That wasn't the fault of var, they just need even more cameras 😄. The other parts of the goal were fine, Arteta just threw his toys out of the pram.

As mentioned in previous posts, both teams should have been down to 10 though, var bottled those decisions.
It’s funny how quick managers change their opinions when decisions go against them, Kompany last week and Arteta this week.
 
The problem with the ball being out was that they didn't have the angle to prove it. It looked out in real time but the camera angles couldn't show and prove it. If they couldn't show it as fact then they had to stick with the onfield decision. That wasn't the fault of var, they just need even more cameras 😄. The other parts of the goal were fine, Arteta just threw his toys out of the pram.

As mentioned in previous posts, both teams should have been down to 10 though, var bottled those decisions.
Not just the ball out of play LT ,but the two handed shove at the back post and the obvious off side , unbelievable stuff.
Like I say I'm not a gunner fan but a football fan ,and what happened in that game wasn't by the rules as I know and played to for many years.
 
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