The Footie Thread

[Piece]

They were saying on Talksport this morning that one of the biggest things was that rugby refs were miked up so as people can at least hear what they are deciding on and how the decision was reached but that the problem in football is the amount of swearing and abuse on and off the pitch that makes that almost a non starter.

Yes. The rugby model is an idealistic one for football, with the (dis)respect shown by players towards referees at ALL levels, it makes mike-ing up very hard to achieve. Perhaps it would be a great eye-opener and leveller for players and coaches to get their act together.

 

[GB72]

Yes. The rugby model is an idealistic one for football, with the (dis)respect shown by players towards referees at ALL levels, it makes mike-ing up very hard to achieve. Perhaps it would be a great eye-opener and leveller for players and coaches to get their act together.

It is not just the on pitch stuff. the language and abuse from the crowd can be picked up as well .

 

[Lord Tyrion]

It is not just the on pitch stuff. the language and abuse from the crowd can be picked up as well .

Do you think instead of the commentators apologising each time they would just have to leave a permanent scrolling banner at the bottom of the screen with an apology?

 

[GB72]

Do you think instead of the commentators apologising each time they would just have to leave a permanent scrolling banner at the bottom of the screen with an apology?

I actually think that no game would be live as such, I think everything would need to be played on a delay with the ability to cut the ref mike depending on what it picked up.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I actually think that no game would be live as such, I think everything would need to be played on a delay with the ability to cut the ref mike depending on what it picked up.

The person operating that would end up with RSI

 

[GB72]

The person operating that would end up with RSI

Nah, half the swearing would get through as the person in the box would not be paying attention to the match.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Yes. The rugby model is an idealistic one for football, with the (dis)respect shown by players towards referees at ALL levels, it makes mike-ing up very hard to achieve. Perhaps it would be a great eye-opener and leveller for players and coaches to get their act together.

Respect goes both ways.

I never liked the idea of comparing Rugby refeeing to Football refereeing but at least the Rugby refs talk to the players and explain why they've given decision unlike PL refs.

See Saturday as a perfect example, ref gives a yellow, changes it to red. The only interaction we seen from the ref was his hand gestures and a go to Jones.

The ref in that instance should be saying "i've seen the challenge from the other side and its late,high,reckless etc you're off"

It's almost like a dictatorship with this current lot.

 

[GB72]

Respect goes both ways.

I never liked the idea of comparing Rugby refeeing to Football refereeing but at least the Rugby refs talk to the players and explain why they've given decision unlike PL refs.

See Saturday as a perfect example, ref gives a yellow, changes it to red. The only interaction we seen from the ref was his hand gestures and a go to Jones.

The ref in that instance should be saying "i've seen the challenge from the other side and its late,high,reckless etc you're off"

It's almost like a dictatorship with this current lot.

Not saying it is the case but could the surrounding the ref, yelling at the ref etc have lead to them having to take a dictatorial stance. Rugby only has the luxury of the situations you describe because only the captain in general addresses the referee and you certainly do not yell or swear at the ref (though some of that is creeping in). In that environment it is easy to explain the position to players but not so when they are all crowding and yelling.

The other issue is the big one though, rugby lends itself to the brief stoppage to explain, football is far more blow the whistle and get moving.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Not saying it is the case but could the surrounding the ref, yelling at the ref etc have lead to them having to take a dictatorial stance. Rugby only has the luxury of the situations you describe because only the captain in general addresses the referee and you certainly do not yell or swear at the ref (though some of that is creeping in). In that environment it is easy to explain the position to players but not so when they are all crowding and yelling.

The other issue is the big one though, rugby lends itself to the brief stoppage to explain, football is far more blow the whistle and get moving.

It may have been the case prior to this season but to my memory from all the games i've seen this season, there's been a significant reduction with that behaviour.

It is give and take though.

Thats why VAR works better in Rugby.

 

[GB72]

It may have been the case prior to this season but to my memory from all the games i've seen this season, there's been a significant reduction with that behaviour.

It is give and take though.

Thats why VAR works better in Rugby.

I think that is the elephant in the room. Football is simply too fast paced to lend itself properly to video analysis.

 

[Swango1980]

It is not just the on pitch stuff. the language and abuse from the crowd can be picked up as well .

I'm pretty sure the microphones can be pretty well calibrated to not pick up the detailed noises from the background?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I think that is the elephant in the room. Football is simply too fast paced to lend itself properly to video analysis.

That was my view from the outset.

The actual technology works, its the humans who control it who are making a pigs ear of it.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Not saying it is the case but could the surrounding the ref, yelling at the ref etc have lead to them having to take a dictatorial stance. Rugby only has the luxury of the situations you describe because only the captain in general addresses the referee and you certainly do not yell or swear at the ref (though some of that is creeping in). In that environment it is easy to explain the position to players but not so when they are all crowding and yelling.

The other issue is the big one though, rugby lends itself to the brief stoppage to explain, football is far more blow the whistle and get moving.

Plus a player abuses a ref, and his/her team are marched 10 yds back. Their is a greater deterant to for the players to behave.

 

[Piece]

Plus a player abuses a ref, and his/her team are marched 10 yds back. Their is a greater deterant to for the players to behave.

I remember this was trialled in football a few years back. Didn't last too long!

 

[GB72]

Plus a player abuses a ref, and his/her team are marched 10 yds back. Their is a greater deterant to for the players to behave.

True, the 10 yard thing would not have the impact in football. Perhaps a 5 minute sin bin for abusing or crowding the ref.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I remember this was trialled in football a few years back. Didn't last too long!

Yeah because it can be a disadvantage to the attacking team.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

True, the 10 yard thing would not have the impact in football. Perhaps a 5 minute sin bin for abusing or crowding the ref.

It would work if it was applied consistently by all refs in every game. With recent evidence of not booking players for waving the imaginary card,stopping freekicks and timewasting i wouldn't hold my breath...

 

[TimShady]

Yeah because it can be a disadvantage to the attacking team.

So make it optional?

 

[Dando]

 

[Deleted member 1740]

So make it optional?

Thats not how football should be played.