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The forgotten man, and he actually looked happy!
The forgotten man, and he actually looked happy!
A far, far better finisher than Rashford. Always has been.
If his application matched his talent he’d be some player.
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The Sancho sighing is just a highlight of how poor the club has been run - the club chased him for two seasons and ended up spending over £70mil for him and then didn’t play him in the way that made him do well in Germany and also start for England - it’s all well and good Ten Haag outcasting players if the results on the pitch are showing that he doesn’t need him to be on the pitch - that’s clearly not happening right now.
If Ten Haag was managing a team that was performing and winning week in week out then and the players were ripping it up then players on the outside would need to earn their place - but it’s not , they are struggling this season and someone of Sancho’s quality can be a player to help the team and the manager should be the one to find a way to compromise - if the issue has been going on that long then he should have been sold in the summer
Even this week there is talk of Ten Haag having favourites and fall outs , some players being picked on more than others and leaks going on.
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That's old news, I've been banging on about this for years.
That's why we want the Glazers confined to history.
Two points, Phil. First, the signing pre-dates ETH by some time, so it’s all rather academic. Would the manager have signed Jadon Sancho had he been here back then? Probably not. So it’s a sign of how poorly the club used to be run. Not how it’s run now.
Second, and way more significantly, do you really, truly believe that having a player like Sancho, who quite clearly has an attitude which stinks the place out, is going to help United improve on their start to the season? Really?
Quite aside from anything else, what message would that send to the rest of the squad? You turn up to training on time, team meetings on time, put the hard yards in, but I’m going to play someone who couldn’t give a toss?
Yeah, that would be great management.
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It’s not all the Glazers fault ?
Yes they are poor in regards the leveraged debt and the amount of money they have taken out of the club since they bought the club
But the club in that period have the highest spending over the last decade - a lot of money has been spent on a lot of players , the recruitment , the managers , the coaching etc - all poor and that’s not the glazers doing that
The lack of direction begins at the top.
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Two points, Phil. First, the signing pre-dates ETH by some time, so it’s all rather academic. Would the manager have signed Jadon Sancho had he been here back then? Probably not. So it’s a sign of how poorly the club used to be run. Not how it’s run now.
Second, and way more significantly, do you really, truly believe that having a player like Sancho, who quite clearly has an attitude which stinks the place out, is going to help United improve on their start to the season? Really?
Quite aside from anything else, what message would that send to the rest of the squad? You turn up to training on time, team meetings on time, put the hard yards in, but I’m going to play someone who couldn’t give a toss?
Yeah, that would be great management.
Is the club/team really run any better ?
Certainly doesn’t seem that way right now
He is the manager , he has the squad and it’s up to him to find the best way to get them working , and that includes players bought before he arrives. He can’t just dismiss a player just because he didn’t buy them - he needs to find a way , that’s what other managers do when they arrive into clubs , that what the likes of Klopp and Pep did, and then over time refresh the squad. It’s not like Ten Haag has just arrived - it’s 12 months now
And if there are issues - deal with behind closed doors , he went public which achieved what ? The consequences of that are happening now.
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But if their attitude stinks and they appear not to heed warnings they have to be shown the door.
I expect Klopp & Pep would share those sentiments, too.
The manager simply HAS to be in charge.
I think you’re comparing apples and oranges and pears. Klopp had a fairly decent squad to start with. Pep had mega sugar daddies and a decent squad. Ten Haag inherited dross, inc a few dysfunctional ones, and a recruitment team that paid top dollar for very average players. Haag is doing the right things but from a lower starting point.
Sorry, Phil, you’re talking rubbish. Do you honestly believe Pep or Klopp would have put up with Sancho’s antics? No, of course they wouldn’t. ETH tried to deal with them behind closed doors, but his patience was clearly stretched beyond breaking point. By managing it as he has, he has reminded everyone who is in charge. And he’s absolutely right to do that.
As for whether the team is being run better, absolutely it is. There is a discipline there which has been lacking a decade. There is a manager in place who clearly has a vision of how he wants his side to progress, and he is slowly bringing the players in who he trusts to help him bring that vision to fruition, whilst managing out the players he has no faith in.
He’s been there a year. He’s won his first trophy. The club are back in the Champion’s League. And all that whilst the tail is, at long last, no longer being allowed to wag the dog.
On the pitch, the club is being infinitely better managed. As anyone who regularly watches United will tell you.
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Then why not do it in the summer ?
Sancho was playing and scoring in Pre season for the team - started most of the games until the Prem started then the issue hit - he didn’t seem to have any problems playing him throughout Pre season
Last season he started over 75% of the games so I’m guessing there wasn’t attitude issue then or Ten Haag didn’t have an issue then
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I guess there is a reason why ETH manages in the PL, and you only get to discuss your views on social media. So, I'll back ETH's way of dealing with is over your suggestion.
He hasn't done too badly either. Manages such a poorly run club and yet still managed to beat your beloved Klopp and the well oiled Liverpool machine in his 1st season
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That's why nothing was done pre-season.
I think it's safe to assume the real issues have occured this season.
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Yeah, that'll do.
Wrap Casemiro up in cotton wool, he was superb tonight.
Wrap Casemiro up in cotton wool, he was superb tonight.
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Klopp took over a poor squad , finishing 6th the season before , and being around 10th when he took over , the squad was far from decent
So Sanchos antics were that bad he played him most of last season , played him most of pre season until he then put him on the bench for the first couple of game until he publicly called him out and now the whole thing is blowing up . It’s not really working that well at the moment when the team are struggling to get past the likes of Burnley
The team have already lost 3 times in the league ? And that’s being run better ?
I’m pretty confident that Man Utd won’t be top 4 this season , it’s a team that’s seems no better than what was seen under OGS , the club was a touch lucky last season that teams like Liverpool , Spurs and Chelsea were so poor
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You must be having a laugh.
Swango1980
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Someone clearly can't stand it when Man Utd play well.
I’m out of this discussion. You judge a team after a handful of games with the squad ravaged by injury if it suits your agenda, Phil. I prefer to adopt a view over the longer term.
As for Sancho, maybe the problems have only re-emerged during the last few weeks. Just a thought.
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Didn’t OGS get the team to second one season ? Final of the Europa ?
Best defence in the league etc etc
