Can’t help but think this Forest team needs to get a lot of points early this year before they’re figured out. Not beating Burnley at home isn’t a good sign. They’re the games that kept them up last year. A lot of names on that starting XI that other relegation threatened teams wouldn’t touch.
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Deliberate handball doesnt exist no more. Its all about the silhouette and natural position.
Don Barzini
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One thing is for sure, it’s going to be another dogfight at the bottom of the PL.
In this weeks football, of the six main relegation candidates only Burnley managed to get a point on the board. But zero points for the other five (Luton, Sheffield United, Everton, Wolves and Man Utd).
In this weeks football, of the six main relegation candidates only Burnley managed to get a point on the board. But zero points for the other five (Luton, Sheffield United, Everton, Wolves and Man Utd).
Don Barzini
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A lot? Which names do you mean by that?
I'll agree that I dont think Scott McKenna will be here another season and that Joe Worrall needs to get more consistency to his game. But who are the "lot" of names that wouldn't make it into a relegation threatened team?
In terms of last night's game, Burnley were good value for the draw. They set up and defended well and I'll admit that I'd be feeling aggrieved about that disallowed goal if I was a Burnley fan.
We had three new players in our starting line-up who haven't played a PL game before, so it's going to take time. Better point for Burnley than Forest, but I'm not hitting any panic buttons yet.
The big credit in Forests favour is that they create chances. Create enough, you should score enough. Score enough, you stay up. Simples.
The teams that go down don't score.
Forest were wasteful in the first 30 minutes or so. Burnley should have been dead and buried by then.
The teams that go down don't score.
Forest were wasteful in the first 30 minutes or so. Burnley should have been dead and buried by then.
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Think the biggest credit In their favour is that the 3 teams that have come up look awful
Sadly not just those 3, but yes, you are right.
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Orikoru
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Forest look absolutely fine to me. There's certainly at least 4 or 5 worse teams than them. Can see them finishing a comfortable 15th with 40+ points.
We have 3 big games coming up, Brentford away, Luton home, Bournemouth home. We need a minimum of 6 points from those.I was trying to be nice to Evertonand united
Orikoru
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I'm most surprised at Burnley. Usually one of the promoted teams comes up and does well first season, and I had my eye on them given that they smashed the Championship playing good football. However they've just looked pretty naive so far. Luton and Sheffield I didn't expect anything from really.
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Seen a bit of talk about Everton being in a very precarious financial position right now, seems some loans have been taken from 777 but there is an expectation that the takeover won’t go ahead
Not sure what’s happening with Moshiri though
Aztecs27
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We were awful last night and were still good for the draw.
Reasons we were awful;
- Scott McKenna playing CB in a back 4. He's about 5th choice now and will be gone in Jan. Only playing off the back of being rewarded a decent performance against Chelsea. He won't play on Saturday against City unless absolutely necessary. We have Felipe, Niakhate, Willy Boly, Murillo and the Irish lad from Norwich who I expect will all be ahead of him once all up to speed.
- 3 of the starting XI were playing their first game for the club and 2 their first game in the Premier League; CHO looked sharp and will be a massive threat, Sangare is used to the slower pace of European football and will quickly find out how to adapt to the Premier League (having said that, he's trained TWICE and managed 90 mins and didn't look out of place). Montiel was AWFUL, and I doubt we'll see much of him for a few weeks now until he's fully up to speed as he looked out of his depth - and had it not been for his mistake for their goal, we'd have won the game.
- We're still bedding in said new signings (and have more strength and depth to come)...They've training for a week or two at most between the international break.
- Cooper is instilling a change in playing style and tactics. It's not going to happen overnight. We survived last season playing 5 at the back, low block, counter attacking football. This is not the way he wishes to play. We saw glimpses of being a more attacking team at home which is what we're working towards, but with new players only just coming into the side, it's going to take a few weeks (at least) to iron out the errors.
I'm not worried at all. We should have/could have beaten United (or at least got a point) at Old Trafford, we took it to Arsenal at the Emirates and nearly came away with something and we beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. It took us until JANUARY to record an away win last season. we did it in 4 weeks this season.
We won't be the last team Burnley get points from at home. They've got enough about them to make their case for survival I think, but it'll be a battle.
Once our new signings have all gelled and are up to speed, I'm optimistic we'll give a few top end teams a good run for their money.
Aztecs27
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This was Forest last season. We tried to play the way that gave us success in the Championship and it took a 4-0 drubbing at Leicester to give the stark realisation that we did not have the personnel to be able to play that way - which is why Cooper completely went against how he wanted to setup, to get the job done. I fear for Burnley if they're going to carry on playing with such a high line, that it'll be a bit too much for them.
Piece
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Burnley are good and slick going forward. It's at the back where they will be found out.
Jimaroid
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Yep, Moshiri and Kenwright’s years long lack of transparency and mismanagement is coming home. The mysterious offshore shell company “Media & Rights Company” seem to be refinancing loans against property assets. That is not a good sign at all, coupled with a sudden short term 777 loan, I would speculate this means the club was days or weeks away from a very serious cashflow problem. No matter which way it’s spun, these are signs of a business heading to administration.
MSP’s injection of £100m only paid off existing debts on the stadium build. 777’s £20m loan is likely only enough to sustain the club for another month.
Hard to find the truth in all this but to steal the financial lingo, the wind is not blowing in a favourable direction at all.
Aztecs27
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Yea exactly. They posed us more of a threat last night than they should have done as we were essentially playing with no RB and McKenna at CB, so Joe Worrall had his work cut out for him...but still have to give them credit where due, they've got some really tidy attacking players.
But the first 30 minutes, we were all over them and should have had 2 or 3 goals - just need to work on the final ball.
clubchamp98
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If Everton’s finances were that bad why did they go ahead with a new stadium?
Jimaroid
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Don’t know. If I had to guess it’s because Moshiri is/was a billionaire idiot.
Presumably the idea is to pay it off over 20-30 years, kicking the problem down the road. The covid impact on building materials can not have helped them.
Ultimately, Goodison is one of the lowest generators of matchday revenue in the PL despite the average being 39k, also the capacity. Having a new ground is there to generate money.
The current ground can't be that great for attracting new players either. If a player is being courted by a few clubs, Goodison is not sealing the deal for you.
