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City sign Doku ..
Think city have had a good transfer window. Lost Gundogan , Mahrez & Laporte but signed Kovacic, Doku , & Gvardiol and possibly Nunez .. Best signing is Bernardo Silva signing a extension
Not gonna lie, it was a squeaky bum moment thinking Silva and a Walker was following them along with Mahrez and not so much Cancelo. Chuffed to bits with the signings. Don’t think CIty have finished yet though.
 
Rumours on social media that Salah has agreed a deal with Al-Ittihad in Saudi. Three year deal worth £240 million net. No idea if it's true but the suggestion is that he doesn't want to force a move and will stay if Liverpool refuse to sell.
This, combined with Hendo and Fabinho, in stark contrast with City owners (as Tash mentions re: Walker & Silva), will truly define where our owners put greater value - cash or winning things.

7 players out and 3 in is not great reading. When you look at "minutes played" - Milner, Keita and Ox out, Szobozlai and Mac Allister in things make sense. wages and transfer fees, all good. Endo stinks of "everyone else we wanted went somewhere else" for whatever reasons, IMO. He maybe a reasonable squad filler defensive mid, but losing the 2 main defensive mids who won us the title and the CL, got us within 2 games of a quadruple and replacing them both with a random from the Bundesliga who basically nobody had ever heard? again, not great.

Throw Salah into the mix as well... I firmly believe it shows that the money in being greater than the money out is more important to the owners than winning things. There are gaping holes in the squad, tactically. We've taken a humungous sum off the wage bill. A proven defensive mid and another centre back are clear weaknesses in the squad, selling quite frankly one of the top 3 (and probably top 2) players to ever play for the team, to fund that? it doesn't scream "we want to win things" to me.
 
This, combined with Hendo and Fabinho, in stark contrast with City owners (as Tash mentions re: Walker & Silva), will truly define where our owners put greater value - cash or winning things.

7 players out and 3 in is not great reading. When you look at "minutes played" - Milner, Keita and Ox out, Szobozlai and Mac Allister in things make sense. wages and transfer fees, all good. Endo stinks of "everyone else we wanted went somewhere else" for whatever reasons, IMO. He maybe a reasonable squad filler defensive mid, but losing the 2 main defensive mids who won us the title and the CL, got us within 2 games of a quadruple and replacing them both with a random from the Bundesliga who basically nobody had ever heard? again, not great.

Throw Salah into the mix as well... I firmly believe it shows that the money in being greater than the money out is more important to the owners than winning things. There are gaping holes in the squad, tactically. We've taken a humungous sum off the wage bill. A proven defensive mid and another centre back are clear weaknesses in the squad, selling quite frankly one of the top 3 (and probably top 2) players to ever play for the team, to fund that? it doesn't scream "we want to win things" to me.
As a fan if you kinda get the jest of where the club is going re the transfer market, alls well. When City won the treble it felt the transfer window was going to be brutal. Little did we know what was happening. At the moment City from what has come in and gone out. City have paid out £30 million for the three players signed. That’s fantastic business for City.
Looking at Liverpool, macallister was a fantastic signing, but it looks like the the squad is now looking thin. If Salah goes. Well it Don’t bear thinking about.There’s a week plus to go til the market closes but available players of quality are looking scarce.Could be a squeaky bum time.
 
This could certainly be interesting. I think the only way he leaves is if the owners see too much money to refuse. Certainly would show where priorities lie with basically no time to find a replacement
 
This, combined with Hendo and Fabinho, in stark contrast with City owners (as Tash mentions re: Walker & Silva), will truly define where our owners put greater value - cash or winning things.

7 players out and 3 in is not great reading. When you look at "minutes played" - Milner, Keita and Ox out, Szobozlai and Mac Allister in things make sense. wages and transfer fees, all good. Endo stinks of "everyone else we wanted went somewhere else" for whatever reasons, IMO. He maybe a reasonable squad filler defensive mid, but losing the 2 main defensive mids who won us the title and the CL, got us within 2 games of a quadruple and replacing them both with a random from the Bundesliga who basically nobody had ever heard? again, not great.

Throw Salah into the mix as well... I firmly believe it shows that the money in being greater than the money out is more important to the owners than winning things. There are gaping holes in the squad, tactically. We've taken a humungous sum off the wage bill. A proven defensive mid and another centre back are clear weaknesses in the squad, selling quite frankly one of the top 3 (and probably top 2) players to ever play for the team, to fund that? it doesn't scream "we want to win things" to me.


Henderson and Fabinho were both sold because they both wanted to leave - it wasn’t about getting money in , there was never any intention to sell either of them until Saudi came calling - but Klopp has been pretty consistent in the past - any player that doesn’t want to be at the club can leave - Henderson was imo told he would only be a bit part player


Salah won’t be sold just to bring money in , the only way Salah is sold is if Mo himself wants to the leave and tries to force the move - but the club have been clear and Salahs agent was also very clear - no intention of leaving

The rumour was started by a Saudi “journalist” and what a surprise we play Newcastle coming up , all the reliable journalists have been clear - not going anywhere


As for the window - getting rid of players who didn’t contribute was good , have brought in some very good players , Endo will be interesting, did well in Germany it seems. Gary Mac and Dom will be superb. Would be nice if we could get one more in for the middle of the park and maybe some young for the backline it would be a good window

And imo Salah is good but certainly not Top 3 to have played for the club, not even top 5 imo - just outside
 
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I can’t see Salah leaving this close to the window closing.
Could certainly see him leaving next summer.
But £150m for a 31 year old,it’s got to be tempting for the owners.
Henry’s probably already eyeing up a new yacht 😂
 
Henderson and Fabinho were both sold because they both wanted to leave - it wasn’t about getting money in , there was never any intention to sell either of them until Saudi came calling - but Klopp has been pretty consistent in the past - any player that doesn’t want to be at the club can leave - Henderson was imo told he would only be a bit part player


Salah won’t be sold just to bring money in , the only way Salah is sold is if Mo himself wants to the leave and tries to force the move - but the club have been clear and Salahs agent was also very clear - no intention of leaving

The rumour was started by a Saudi “journalist” and what a surprise we play Newcastle coming up , all the reliable journalists have been clear - not going anywhere


As for the window - getting rid of players who didn’t contribute was good , have brought in some very good players , Endo will be interesting, did well in Germany it seems. Gary Mac and Dom will be superb. Would be nice if we could get one more in for the middle of the park and maybe some young for the backline it would be a good window

And imo Salah is good but certainly not Top 3 to have played for the club, not even top 5 imo - just outside

Who do you see as better than Salah?

He’s already 3rd highest scorer for Liverpool. He, probably, won’t get the same number of games in as Ian Rush and Roger Hunt, who are both well ahead in terms of goals scored. But goals per minutes played and goals per matches played puts him ahead of those two. Suarez & Torres match him in goals per minutes played but nowhere near the total goals or games. I wonder if Salah would figure so highly in the stats if Mane hadn’t been such an unselfish player?

It’s funny how nostalgia can sometimes take over. My favourite up front pair for Liverpool are Keegan & Toshack but their record isn’t that impressive. And in terms of being real Liverpool legends, Gerrard, Rush, Dalgliesh & Fowler along with a whole host of top players figure more highly than Salah. But Sarah’s stats suggest he is the better player.

Mmm, interesting question… where does Salah fit in a league table of top Liverpool players? Will he be viewed differently, better/worse if he leaves now or if he stays another couple of seasons.
 
Who do you see as better than Salah?

He’s already 3rd highest scorer for Liverpool. He, probably, won’t get the same number of games in as Ian Rush and Roger Hunt, who are both well ahead in terms of goals scored. But goals per minutes played and goals per matches played puts him ahead of those two. Suarez & Torres match him in goals per minutes played but nowhere near the total goals or games. I wonder if Salah would figure so highly in the stats if Mane hadn’t been such an unselfish player?

It’s funny how nostalgia can sometimes take over. My favourite up front pair for Liverpool are Keegan & Toshack but their record isn’t that impressive. And in terms of being real Liverpool legends, Gerrard, Rush, Dalgliesh & Fowler along with a whole host of top players figure more highly than Salah. But Sarah’s stats suggest he is the better player.

Mmm, interesting question… where does Salah fit in a league table of top Liverpool players? Will he be viewed differently, better/worse if he leaves now or if he stays another couple of seasons.


For me the best players that we have had are

Kenny
Barnes
Gerrard
Rush
Souness

As a top 5

Then
Suarez
Mo
Hansen
VVD
Beardsley

Didn’t really see much of Keegan at the club

It’s always very hard to judge across different generations but imo those top 10 would be just as good in any era
 
but Klopp has been pretty consistent in the past - any player that doesn’t want to be at the club can leave
A club like Liverpool can afford to do that because there are plenty of players in teh world that want to play for them, even really good ones.

Take a smaller club and there aren't any players who want to play for them who haven't been born within a small to medium size radius of the stadium, and most players to play for them are content to do so, or are hoping to step up to somewhere which then lets them, step up to something like Liverpool.

Klopp didn't do that in Dortmund, and there are fairly big, and he certainly didn't do that at Mainz.
 


Everyone knew he was awful as referee and managed to hide it with his “eccentric” ways but to come out and openly admit this is beyond stupid
Well that’s no suprize to me.
He should be sacked That’s just blatantly NOT doing your job.

What if that costs a team relagation, as long as his mate dosnt get any grief.
you couldn’t make it up!
 
For me the best players that we have had are

Kenny
Barnes
Gerrard
Rush
Souness

As a top 5

Then
Suarez
Mo
Hansen
VVD
Beardsley

Didn’t really see much of Keegan at the club

It’s always very hard to judge across different generations but imo those top 10 would be just as good in any era
That's excluding so many of your past generations. A top Liverpool list without Roger Hunt 😱 .

To leave out your 60's, 70's and most of the 80's era, wow.

As to the point, Salah has to be up there. His goal scoring consistency is phenomenal.
 


Everyone knew he was awful as referee and managed to hide it with his “eccentric” ways but to come out and openly admit this is beyond stupid
Referees remain silent and don't explain their decisions, they get slated for not standing up to scrutiny. Referees explain why they make a decision, and acknowledge it was a "really bad call", and they are called stupid.

To me, it is a brave call to admit to that. It shows the human aspect to refereeing and VAR, where some of the flaws can be, and help them somehow address those in the future. If you think Dean is the only one that has ever had a decision influenced by thinking the impact it may have on their colleague, you'll be naïve. I'm sure a lot of VAR calls, or lack off, have been made in a similar fashion. The officials involved just haven't opened up to it, at least to the media.

We talk about giving more respect to referees. But, it will never happen when fans feel free to call them out as being awful referees, arrogant, stupid, etc. I wonder, how often do we talk about the thousands of decisions he has got right in his career? There are probably hundreds of big calls that he has got right, how much praise does he get now, or then, for making those decisions? It is rare any referee gets much credit at all. At best, they may get a quick "I think the referee had a decent game". However, opinions erupt as soon as they make one bad call (or even one subjective call in which fans or on the other side of the fence to the ref on).

If Dean was an incompetent as some fans like to believe, I've no doubt he'd have been pushed aside from the top of the game many years ago.
 
Who do you see as better than Salah?

He’s already 3rd highest scorer for Liverpool. He, probably, won’t get the same number of games in as Ian Rush and Roger Hunt, who are both well ahead in terms of goals scored. But goals per minutes played and goals per matches played puts him ahead of those two. Suarez & Torres match him in goals per minutes played but nowhere near the total goals or games. I wonder if Salah would figure so highly in the stats if Mane hadn’t been such an unselfish player?

It’s funny how nostalgia can sometimes take over. My favourite up front pair for Liverpool are Keegan & Toshack but their record isn’t that impressive. And in terms of being real Liverpool legends, Gerrard, Rush, Dalgliesh & Fowler along with a whole host of top players figure more highly than Salah. But Sarah’s stats suggest he is the better player.

Mmm, interesting question… where does Salah fit in a league table of top Liverpool players? Will he be viewed differently, better/worse if he leaves now or if he stays another couple of seasons.
I wouldn't say Salah's stats say he is a better player than Gerrard. They are in totally different positions, and had different responsibilities within the team. Salah will have certain attributes as a player better than Gerrard that mean he is played as an attacking player and responsible for scoring. Gerrard will have certain attributes better than Salah that allowed him to be a huge player in the middle of the park, and a huge influence on the team. A player who could be the engine of the team. The question is, as an all round footballer, which player's combined attributes would you value more? Personally, I'd say Gerrard was a better player than Salah for Liverpool. And, if Gerrard played in this Liverpool team at his prime, for the last 6-7 years, we'd probably all be saying Gerrard is the best player in the side. Their De Bruyne type figure, even if other players might be scoring more goals.

Same as the team I support. Plenty of players would have had better stats than Roy Keane, but as a footballer I'd place him well above them in the "who is a better player" category. And that would even be the case if I ignored his leadership skills as a captain.
 
That's excluding so many of your past generations. A top Liverpool list without Roger Hunt 😱 .

To leave out your 60's, 70's and most of the 80's era, wow.

As to the point, Salah has to be up there. His goal scoring consistency is phenomenal.

Well I can’t really judge players that I didn’t see play hence why no 60’s or 70’s

But not sure who is missing from that top ten beyond Hunt , Cally and Keegan

And 6 of the top ten are from the 80’s 🤷‍♂️
 
Well I can’t really judge players that I didn’t see play hence why no 60’s or 70’s

But not sure who is missing from that top ten beyond Hunt , Cally and Keegan

And 6 of the top ten are from the 80’s 🤷‍♂️
Thompson, Liddle, Kennedy, Lawrenson, Molby, Whelan, Clemence, Grobbelar (why do keepers never make these lists?), Hughes, Neal, Nicol, Heighway.

I never saw Dixie Dean, Kendall, Ball or Harvey in the flesh but the thought of an Everton top 10 without them in it is unthinkable. Could modern Utd fans leave out Charlton, Best, Edwards, Law etc?
 
Well that’s no suprize to me.
He should be sacked That’s just blatantly NOT doing your job.

What if that costs a team relagation, as long as his mate dosnt get any grief.
you couldn’t make it up!
The ironic thing is that when people said VAR is rammel, they have been proven right. VAR in its current format is not fit for purpose. We have always said that VAR is down to one persons opinion. But when “ looking after a mate” takes priority over making the right decision. How’s that right. We now have laws to “ protect” refs which results in a yellow. This is to help respect referees decisions. Seriously? How can you respect that? How can you respect anything this tit says again.
The refereeing in this country is a shambles, we have rules for the game and rules for the referees Because they are rammel.
 
Thompson, Liddle, Kennedy, Lawrenson, Molby, Whelan, Clemence, Grobbelar (why do keepers never make these lists?), Hughes, Neal, Nicol, Heighway.

I never saw Dixie Dean, Kendall, Ball or Harvey in the flesh but the thought of an Everton top 10 without them in it is unthinkable. Could modern Utd fans leave out Charlton, Best, Edwards, Law etc?
They are all great players but not when talking about top ten players

Allison imo is a better GK than Grobelaar and Clem

Likes of Thommo and Lawernson both very good CB’s but below the likes of Hansen and VVD

Same when talking about Molby , Whelan and comparing to Gerrard and Souness

They are all players that would be in a top 50 of players but not top Imo

It’s even harder to make a best 11

Alisson

Neal
VVD
Hansen
Robbo

Salah
Souness
Gerrard
Barnes

Rush
Kenny
 
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