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Tashyboy said:
Like I said, he has shown no remorse, if anything the opposite.
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I'm not sure how he could show remorse when he has said he wasn't guilty of what he was accused of? Even after charges were dropped, should he have publicly said "I did it guys, really sorry!" He had probably been advised to stay very quiet for now. Whatever he says, is never going to change the views of people that think he should be flogged. And as someone probably not trained in public speaking, he'd probably make things worse.

There seems to be more to the case that meets the eyes, and I'm sure he will need to be more open about things when he officially starts playing again. He'll definitely be asked the questions, and if the publicly released information paints a false picture, then he is going to have a hell of a lot of convincing to do. And even in the unlikely event that was the situation, perhaps it is more complex as he is with the victim of the alleged assault.

It'll be interesting what clubs show an interest, and the backlash they get for trying to sign a player not found guilty of anything. Thus I think the most likely destination is somewhere abroad where the alleged assault had not been in the media for last few years.
 
Just watching the guy At arsenal
Lord Tyrion said:
On actual football, another player sent off following an utterly avoidable yellow card for time wasting. The second yellow was iffy but he wouldn't have been in that position if he hadn't been daft in the first place.

Teams were warned..............
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how Kai Havertz stayed on is beyond me. Thick as two short plants. Pulls a shirt a minute after his mates sent off. lucky not to get booked coz he did later
 
Swango1980 said:
I'm not sure how he could show remorse when he has said he wasn't guilty of what he was accused of? Even after charges were dropped, should he have publicly said "I did it guys, really sorry!" He had probably been advised to stay very quiet for now. Whatever he says, is never going to change the views of people that think he should be flogged. And as someone probably not trained in public speaking, he'd probably make things worse.

There seems to be more to the case that meets the eyes, and I'm sure he will need to be more open about things when he officially starts playing again. He'll definitely be asked the questions, and if the publicly released information paints a false picture, then he is going to have a hell of a lot of convincing to do. And even in the unlikely event that was the situation, perhaps it is more complex as he is with the victim of the alleged assault.

It'll be interesting what clubs show an interest, and the backlash they get for trying to sign a player not found guilty of anything. Thus I think the most likely destination is somewhere abroad where the alleged assault had not been in the media for last few years.
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The charges against him were dropped, but the evidence of what he did to his missis is there. He should apologise for that. He wasn’t charged for that but it showed what he can be like. The case and charges were dropped. But that don’t mean he is a not a nasty piece of work.
I have commented on another post in the lounge re Joey Barton, again another nasty piece of work who was taken to court for assault on his wife. The case collapsed because she could not be a reliable prosecution witness even though she called the police At the time he assaulted her. She is still with him.☹️
 
Tashyboy said:
The charges against him were dropped, but the evidence of what he did to his missis is there. He should apologise for that. He wasn’t charged for that but it showed what he can be like. The case and charges were dropped. But that don’t mean he is a not a nasty piece of work.
I have commented on another post in the lounge re Joey Barton, again another nasty piece of work who was taken to court for assault on his wife. The case collapsed because she could not be a reliable prosecution witness even though she called the police At the time he assaulted her. She is still with him.☹️
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Indeed, I get the evidence is out there. But, even reading the statement the other day, it was implied that evidence we have not seen paints a very different picture. All we can do is guess why the charges were dropped, but none of us truly know the case inside out.

I'm not saying he isn't a nasty piece of work, as I've heard what you've heard. The problem is, I just don't know what I don't know, and wondering if anything will become clearer as he resumes his career, and he tries to somehow build bridges? As I said before, if he was simply a nasty piece of work, then I think United would have found it easier to part ways with him a lot sooner. It isn't as if he was a valuable selling asset, as his value would have plummeted. And not a valuable asset to remain at club, considering he hasn't played in ages anyway, drain on team moral and a sponsors nightmare.

Regardless, due to public perception, I think it is correct they have parted ways. I do find it sad however. Maybe he isn't the evil person people make out, maybe he regrets anything bad he did do and maybe him, the girl and their baby are now living a happier life? Also, from a fans perspective, it is sad how things turned out for him. I'm sure if Foden was suddenly charged with something similar, you'd be both horrified and sad about what will become of his career.
 
Swango1980 said:
I'm not sure how he could show remorse when he has said he wasn't guilty of what he was accused of? Even after charges were dropped, should he have publicly said "I did it guys, really sorry!" He had probably been advised to stay very quiet for now. Whatever he says, is never going to change the views of people that think he should be flogged. And as someone probably not trained in public speaking, he'd probably make things worse.

There seems to be more to the case that meets the eyes, and I'm sure he will need to be more open about things when he officially starts playing again. He'll definitely be asked the questions, and if the publicly released information paints a false picture, then he is going to have a hell of a lot of convincing to do. And even in the unlikely event that was the situation, perhaps it is more complex as he is with the victim of the alleged assault.

It'll be interesting what clubs show an interest, and the backlash they get for trying to sign a player not found guilty of anything. Thus I think the most likely destination is somewhere abroad where the alleged assault had not been in the media for last few years.
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the charges were dropped as the girlfriend refused to give evidence - that's not the same as being found not guilty
 
Dando said:
the charges were dropped as the girlfriend refused to give evidence - that's not the same as being found not guilty
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You didn't read my words carefully enough. I said "not found guilty". I didn't say "found not guilty"

I should probably add, or ask the question: It is my belief that the police can continue to press charges without the victims consent, if the evidence is strong enough to get a conviction. Is this true? Everyone knows what evidence they've heard / seen to allow them to come to their own conclusions. If that evidence is so concrete against Greenwood, why did the police not go ahead and bring him to trial? Surely that would be in the public interest at the very least?
 
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Tashyboy said:
Looks like Forest have signed a decent right back for a decent price.
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Indeed! Suspect he’ll be announced today. Signing World Cup winners! Bonkers really. Loan to buy too so no fee in the current financial year, very clever from the club with regards to FFP.

Sadly, it’s likely due to Serge Aurier being off to Saudi, if rumours are true. He’s been nothing but exceptional since we signed him on a free last season, will be sad to see him go.
 
Swango1980 said:
You didn't read my words carefully enough. I said "not found guilty". I didn't say "found not guilty"

I should probably add, or ask the question: It is my belief that the police can continue to press charges without the victims consent, if the evidence is strong enough to get a conviction. Is this true? Everyone knows what evidence they've heard / seen to allow them to come to their own conclusions. If that evidence is so concrete against Greenwood, why did the police not go ahead and bring him to trial? Surely that would be in the public interest at the very least?
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It’s the CPS who decides to go to trial or not. Without the lead source of evidence and other evidence which they haven’t disclosed, they decided there wasn’t a realistic chance of conviction. Public interest doesn’t really come into it here.
 
TimShady said:
It’s the CPS who decides to go to trial or not. Without the lead source of evidence and other evidence which they haven’t disclosed, they decided there wasn’t a realistic chance of conviction. Public interest doesn’t really come into it here.
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Indeed. So, despite much of the public assuming he is 100% guilty, the CPS felt there was not a realistic chance of conviction. Would they have been unable to use the images and audio as evidence as the victim did not wish to proceed, or could they have still used those as they were already in the public domain? My only real knowledge in how the law works is by watching "Suits", which is not the best reference material :)

O yeah, and in other delayed football matters, that red card for Arsenal last night was a bit bizarre. I don't even think there was contact with Ayew, and he seemed to just fall over pretending he was pulled. Then Havertz had a real go an pulling someone back minutes later and I don't think he was booked at all. I know VAR can't get involved in yellow card incidents, but maybe that is an example that they could modify it to at least look at second yellow card incidents?
 
Swango1980 said:
Indeed, I get the evidence is out there. But, even reading the statement the other day, it was implied that evidence we have not seen paints a very different picture. All we can do is guess why the charges were dropped, but none of us truly know the case inside out.

I'm not saying he isn't a nasty piece of work, as I've heard what you've heard. The problem is, I just don't know what I don't know, and wondering if anything will become clearer as he resumes his career, and he tries to somehow build bridges? As I said before, if he was simply a nasty piece of work, then I think United would have found it easier to part ways with him a lot sooner. It isn't as if he was a valuable selling asset, as his value would have plummeted. And not a valuable asset to remain at club, considering he hasn't played in ages anyway, drain on team moral and a sponsors nightmare.

Regardless, due to public perception, I think it is correct they have parted ways. I do find it sad however. Maybe he isn't the evil person people make out, maybe he regrets anything bad he did do and maybe him, the girl and their baby are now living a happier life? Also, from a fans perspective, it is sad how things turned out for him. I'm sure if Foden was suddenly charged with something similar, you'd be both horrified and sad about what will become of his career.
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Totally agree and moving on, I would be interested to hear from Billyboots. He is ex constabulary and may be able to shed some light on why the CPS dropped the case. What I will say is that when I applied to be a magistrate, reading between the lines they were not a popular bunch.
 
Aztecs27 said:
Indeed! Suspect he’ll be announced today. Signing World Cup winners! Bonkers really. Loan to buy too so no fee in the current financial year, very clever from the club with regards to FFP.

Sadly, it’s likely due to Serge Aurier being off to Saudi, if rumours are true. He’s been nothing but exceptional since we signed him on a free last season, will be sad to see him go.
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Watched him last Wednesday, although he didn’t stand out, defensively they looked Solid. They do have a centre half at Seville who was immense.
 
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