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Last word to Dale Johnson? Rather than just Twitter he now has a regular and very useful Monday VAR Review piece.

I don't think anyone here has recalled how Mike Riley / PGMOL changed the threshold for penalties in the Premier League this season?

VAR review: A lot of people may feel this should have been a penalty to Everton, and there is no doubt it wouldn't have been overturned had Attwell pointed to the spot. Which of course brings us, once again, to the high threshold in the Premier League.

We've seen many incidents like this across the season, and it's not too dissimilar to the first incident between Elanga and Tavares in the Arsenal vs. Man United game.

There isn't definitive evidence in the replays of a clear foul by Matip, even with the arm on the shoulder, which is why the VAR chose not to advise a pitchside review for a penalty. It does appear to be consistent with other such VAR decisions.
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Swango1980 said:
I guess you are comfortable using that excuse when you agree with the decision. Doesn't work so well when you don't agree with the decision though.
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I've learned to accept the decisions that go against us. Also its blatantly obvious that VAR isnt the saviour of football that was promised.

Refs,players,managers all make mistakes.

If managers keep making same mistakes they get sacked.

If players keep making same mistakes they get sold.

If refs make same mistakes they get promotion.
 
Jimaroid said:
Last word to Dale Johnson? Rather than just Twitter he now has a regular and very useful Monday VAR Review piece.
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Excellent 'blog'. From earlier posting of his, in 20/21 only 5 of the 128 VAR 'reviews' were rejected. There have been 107 reviews this season (up to March 31). So little real change imo. It's possible that the reduction of rejections is simply everyone getting better acquainted with 'the system'.
 
Just seen the penalty “ incident” that Everton never got. Personally I thought it was nailed on and that’s another penalty that has not gone Everton’s way. Remember City earlier this season. What I cannot understand is how that did not go to VAR. The onfield ref I can understand how he never saw a shove. But how did VAR not see that. Again not VARs best day, and again as I have said, Bad referees running VAR with no Footballing input.
Just seen the clip on SKY and Dermot Reeve talks about theatrics In going down. Look at the theatrics in Matip after the
“ challenge”.
That said, it’s now history and two bad decisions against Everton is not the reason they are in a relegation battle.
 
Tashyboy said:
Just seen the penalty “ incident” that Everton never got. Personally I thought it was nailed on and that’s another penalty that has not gone Everton’s way. Remember City earlier this season. What I cannot understand is how that did not go to VAR. The onfield ref I can understand how he never saw a shove. But how did VAR not see that. Again not VARs best day, and again as I have said, Bad referees running VAR with no Footballing input.
Just seen the clip on SKY and Dermot Reeve talks about theatrics In going down. Look at the theatrics in Matip after the
“ challenge”.
That said, it’s now history and two bad decisions against Everton is not the reason they are in a relegation battle.
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The dive from the Everton player earlier in the game probably went against him.
Mane also a lucky boy.
Not the best performance from the officials.
 
Tashyboy said:
Just seen the penalty “ incident” that Everton never got. Personally I thought it was nailed on and that’s another penalty that has not gone Everton’s way. Remember City earlier this season. What I cannot understand is how that did not go to VAR. The onfield ref I can understand how he never saw a shove. But how did VAR not see that. Again not VARs best day, and again as I have said, Bad referees running VAR with no Footballing input.
Just seen the clip on SKY and Dermot Reeve talks about theatrics In going down. Look at the theatrics in Matip after the
“ challenge”.
That said, it’s now history and two bad decisions against Everton is not the reason they are in a relegation battle.
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The position might be slightly better though. 1 point could be the winning margin to win the league. It could also be the difference to send a team down. This year more than ever. Being that low is still our own fault though.
 
Foxholer said:
in 20/21 only 5 of the 128 VAR 'reviews' were rejected. There have been 107 reviews this season (up to March 31). So little real change imo.
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We are told that referees on field have the final decision and it is impossible for VAR to be 100% accurate due to subjective laws and incidents.

Rejected overturns are significant because it means the above statements hold true and proves by demonstration that a final decision rests with the on field referee.

If there are zero rejected overturns, like this season so far, there's no evidence referees are making the final decision and VAR must be 100% accurate.

It's very simple really. We all know VAR could be wrong, so why aren't we seeing it? The referees are no different. What's changed? Something doesn't add up.
 
fundy said:
darren england utterly clueless, game will only get worse if he doesnt get a grip (he wont), ayling and zaha should both be in the book, as should mateta, england not seen most of whats gone on lol
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Zaha, talented looking player. Not a 'diver' so much as a 'leaper'! Needs 10 mins wth Chopper Harris on the practice pitch to sort him out! :rolleyes:
 
Jimaroid said:
We are told that referees on field have the final decision and it is impossible for VAR to be 100% accurate due to subjective laws and incidents.

Rejected overturns are significant because it means the above statements hold true and proves by demonstration that a final decision rests with the on field referee.

If there are zero rejected overturns, like this season so far, there's no evidence referees are making the final decision and VAR must be 100% accurate.

It's very simple really. We all know VAR could be wrong, so why aren't we seeing it? The referees are no different. What's changed? Something doesn't add up.
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Most of the inferences above are simply illogical! The Referees ARE agreeing with VAR - which is the final decision.
Is 5 fewer in 120-ish reviews significant? Not really!
I suspect there's been a lot more 'training'/co-ordination from all involved, so 'conflicts' are less likely to happen.
Maybe they should have organised 1 or 2 review/rejections to ensure cynics don't challenge the 'improved performance'!:rolleyes:
 
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Feel free to carry on editing your reply but can you let us know when you’ve settled on your final draft? You’ll look much less like an insufferable bellend that way.
 
Beezerk said:
Refs are just those kids at school who loved football but were absolutely useless at it ?
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In my case (Hockey), it was getting p-ed off with bad refs (umpires) and having a 'put up or shut up' approach to whingers! Turned out to be loads of fun and was eventually told 'You're a far better Umpire than you are a Player, so concentrate on Umpiring'. I continued to do both though, as I also did with Tennis.
 
fundy said:
darren england utterly clueless, game will only get worse if he doesnt get a grip (he wont), ayling and zaha should both be in the book, as should mateta, england not seen most of whats gone on lol
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I think the ref got too excited by the new doctrine of " keep the game flowing" I cant believe Ayling didnt get about 4 bookings !
 
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