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Who is this mythical top manager that people want to take England to tournament glory?
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Swango1980
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I'm still confused why Southgate didn't bring Sancho, who is still surely one for the future if he starts to hit form. Especially as he has started to get a dun of games and looked a lot better recently. Instead, he takes Sterling who we know he already loves, and he has no need to learn anything more from him in a friendly (had Sterling been great for City lately?).
However, I was even more stunned when I learnt Sterling had been given permission to fly to Jamaica a few days ago to represent his foundation. Possibly why he started the game yesterday on the bench. Again, by all means give him permission to do that in an international friendly week, but surely it would then be a good idea to not select him for the squad. Give him time to do what he needs to do, and give another player a chance to play for England.
However, I was even more stunned when I learnt Sterling had been given permission to fly to Jamaica a few days ago to represent his foundation. Possibly why he started the game yesterday on the bench. Again, by all means give him permission to do that in an international friendly week, but surely it would then be a good idea to not select him for the squad. Give him time to do what he needs to do, and give another player a chance to play for England.
Tashyboy
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Exactly ? when I look at England Foden, Mount, Sancho and Grealish must be the basis of a future generation. There’s a few more to stick in there as well. The only one to be a shoe in for the future will be Maguire.
4LEX
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Southgate is an interesting one. I think he's done a brilliant job getting the club rivalry and toxic atmosphere that used to surround England out of it all. He's made it a positive place and created a family/holiday type atmosphere. He's also a top bloke.
However he's not learnt one bit from his mistakes. He's too negative and too scared to make a brave decision when it matters. I don't think as a coach he's good enough to do anything other than man manage, create a good environment, play it safe and hope for individual brilliance. Due to the lack of quality of other major sides that may well be enough in Qatar though.
Let's hope for an easy draw and some luck!
However he's not learnt one bit from his mistakes. He's too negative and too scared to make a brave decision when it matters. I don't think as a coach he's good enough to do anything other than man manage, create a good environment, play it safe and hope for individual brilliance. Due to the lack of quality of other major sides that may well be enough in Qatar though.
Let's hope for an easy draw and some luck!
Exactly. And what guarantee is there of success anyway. Southgate has brought a balanced and calm camp together where players enjoy being together and they are playing as a unit. It may not be pretty but they keep on winning. What else is he supposed to do. So close to winning two major finals, and you can't say they were handed it on a plate as they have to still win matches
So far during his tenure. I believe in tournament football I believe Germany are the only team ranked above us that his has actually beaten.
With his style of football, unless he wins he will be questioned as he's playing against our strength in the eyes of most.
At that to the fact he always spouted this form first and then quickly reverted to favourites and it's no surprise he faces questions.
5th in the rankings and Germany down in 11th so not sure what the rankings have to do with the results. Yes his style is dour at times and perhaps the flair players aren't given licence to express themselves enough but he keeps on winning
SteveW86
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If you read it properly. My point was that during his time as manager he has managed to beat one team apparently better than us (Germany at the time of the match).
Other than that he has managed to beat teams worse than us. So hardly success.
And he doesn't keep on winning. He hasn't won anything.
hairball_89
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He keeps on winning... Until the one that actually matters. When he has the opportunity to do something truly special. Yea... He's just not good enough for me.
Swango1980
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Indeed, cracking result against San Marino. Pity he didn't get any silverware for it.
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Maguire ????
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Orikoru
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Do we credit him with that? Or has that type of player simply died out? The Gary Nevilles, the Steven Gerrards, the John Terrys, types who would die for their club and fiercely hate players from their rivals. I'm just not sure any of these sort of players actually exist anymore. Not meaning to sound like Roy Keane when I say this.
I think football has changed rather than Southgate changing the atmosphere.
Bdill93
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Do we credit him with that? Or has that type of player simply died out? The Gary Nevilles, the Steven Gerrards, the John Terrys, types who would die for their club and fiercely hate players from their rivals. I'm just not sure any of these sort of players actually exist anymore. Not meaning to sound like Roy Keane when I say this.
I think some credit is due to him for this to be honest. However, its also down to the captain and players themselves to ensure they connect when playing for England.
Ill never understand why, with some of the best attacking talent in the world, we play 5 back... Its painful, boring and needs to be addressed. 4-3-3 works for the best teams in the world, why not England? Is it simply a lack of a world class CB?
Beezerk
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Did you watch the Switzerland game? At times it was the typical England display, the opposition cut through our midfield far too easily (it’s been like that for years) and expose the defence. At least with 5 at the back we have cover but I do agree with you, it stifles the real talent in the team. If only England could sort out the problem of the midfield being bypassed too easily and we’d be onto something.
Swango1980
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Maguire probably did it to stop Henderson and his irritating counting
Maguire ????
Bdill93
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I know we had issues but it wasnt a full strength England - things got a lot easier when Rice came on - He's who I think we all have sitting in front of the CB's in our best XI's
Oddly enough, Villa had the same issues under Smith this season, bypassing the midfield does not enable good football. The players all do it at club level though - so it must be possible to achieve
Orikoru
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Potentially is due to all our centre backs being rubbish, but I'm not convinced that 3 rubbish CBs is better than 2 rubbish CBs anyway personally. Just more players to cock it up.
If we're going to play a pivot of Rice & Hendo or other defensive players in front anyway then you surely don't need 3 CBs against 99% of international opposition. I would like to see a 4-2-3-1 ideally, Rice playing the right sided DM to cover our RB, which is going to be Trent or James who both like to get forward. Leaves room for Foden, Grealish and Sterling/whichever winger is in form behind Kane. Mount can play in Hendo's place against most of the awful sides we play, or come in for Grealish against better sides potentially.
Bdill93
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Potentially is due to all our centre backs being rubbish, but I'm not convinced that 3 rubbish CBs is better than 2 rubbish CBs anyway personally. Just more players to cock it up.
I agree. More quality on the field is better than another CB. Probably Hendo's last tournament. I think him alongside Rice in a 4-2-3-1 would be solid but still offer both the opportunity to press forward when the game dictates it. Both excellent players. Hendo always looks to play the ball forwards too
fundy
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Potentially is due to all our centre backs being rubbish, but I'm not convinced that 3 rubbish CBs is better than 2 rubbish CBs anyway personally. Just more players to cock it up.
Would like to see Rice and Bellingham get a run of games together (with Philips as cover when fit). 4 at the back and then 3 from Foden, Mount, Saka, Sancho, Grealish, Gallagher, Smith Rowe etc behind Kane.
Who the 4 at the back is it totally up for grabs though you would think
