The Footie Thread

[Bdill93]

He could've had a hatrick from what i seen on MOTD.

He's a cracking footballer, so clever with the ball.

Blokes a magician. Honestly, cant believe we have him at Villa. If he signs permenant ill lose my head.

What I cant get is that Traore and Auba are doing well in the farmers league at Barca - but they wouldnt play Coutinho!?

 

[Swango1980]

Manchester Derby was a great watch for the neutral fan.

Its funny to me that I used to hear a lot of moaning about McTominay and Fred under Ole and yet the new manager just plays the same guys too?

False 9 only works when your team gives 100% effort, something United struggle with.

City are an absolute force, so dominant and gave United a footballing lesson.

United fans must be in dispair, that team is miles away from being close to Liverpool and City.

That is because there is no alternative. United have been negligent in building a strong midfield. Matic is even worse that Fred and McTomminay, he is well past it. We bought De Beek and then never bothered giving him a chance, although he wasn't exactly the strong midfield general we'd need anyway. Anyone remember Mata? Yes, he is still at the club rotting away. Lingard another player the club have no faith in.

When Ole was in charge, it was clear he was nowhere near good enough. The players had that excuse as well, they are bound to look poor playing under bad tactics and bad leadership by Ole. Or at least, Ole probably tried to be too nice and put an arm around the players. Sometimes, they need a kick up the backside. With Ole leaving, the players no longer have that excuse, they need to step up and show they deserve to play for a club with big ambitions. Clearly they are failing big time. They are a bunch of weak individuals who crumble under the criticism, usually scared to put a foot in against opponents and definitely scared to shout at each other on the pitch. There will be a load of them leaving at the end of the season, either out of contract or simply not deemed good enough by a new manager. It is also time, I'd imagine, for a lot of the coaching staff to leave.

 

[Bdill93]

Nah, let them continue to rot.

Would be nice

 

[Bdill93]

Personally I think the next manager will buy but has to bring on players. Am not Ute what Utds style of play is now. That needs addressing.

Thats why a DoF is impotant. Makes signings for whatever style of football you choose to play. Managers can come and go but the style remains consistent so players fit the system.

Cech seems to be doing a good job at Chelsea

 

[chrisd]

Please guys, leave Man u alone!

I want them to be relegated next season - what a hoot that would be ??

 

[Bdill93]

That is because there is no alternative. United have been negligent in building a strong midfield. Matic is even worse that Fred and McTomminay, he is well past it. We bought De Beek and then never bothered giving him a chance, although he wasn't exactly the strong midfield general we'd need anyway. Anyone remember Mata? Yes, he is still at the club rotting away. Lingard another player the club have no faith in.

When Ole was in charge, it was clear he was nowhere near good enough. The players had that excuse as well, they are bound to look poor playing under bad tactics and bad leadership by Ole. Or at least, Ole probably tried to be too nice and put an arm around the players. Sometimes, they need a kick up the backside. With Ole leaving, the players no longer have that excuse, they need to step up and show they deserve to play for a club with big ambitions. Clearly they are failing big time. They are a bunch of weak individuals who crumble under the criticism, usually scared to put a foot in against opponents and definitely scared to shout at each other on the pitch. There will be a load of them leaving at the end of the season, either out of contract or simply not deemed good enough by a new manager. It is also time, I'd imagine, for a lot of the coaching staff to leave.

There is. Sign someone and get the deal done. What did you do in Jan?

United of old got their man no matter what. End of.

I fear any manager coming to united now is going to fail unless the hierachy steps in to clear out the dead wood. Even Arsenal have more balls than you in that aspect.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Please guys, leave Man u alone!

I want them to be relegated next season - what a hoot that would be ??

Everton v Yernited in the championship would be comical?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Totally agree. Theres no more than 2/3 players from their starting line up yesterday that should be anywhere near a Manchested United First team.

Whole thing is rotten, they can thank Woodward for that.

Get a proper sporting director, one whos signings have actual vision, then build from there.

Easier said than done.

Ferguson left an ageing squad, albeit a league winning one although that wasnt purely down to how great they were, more the poor standard around them. Oh and having the PGMOL in his arse pocket?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Listening to Talksport this morning, Danny Murphy with a scathing attack on the Yernited players.

He mentioned how they gave up, hid when they went 3-1 down, shirking responsibility etc, i thought he was describing his 9 in 10 liverpool performances?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Personally I think the next manager will buy but has to bring on players. Am not Ute what Utds style of play is now. That needs addressing.

This is a big thing for me. Every team, whether Norwich, Crystal Palace, Man U or City need a recongnisable style. They do not have to stick religiously to this style but the basic dna should be recognisable. Any player that comes in, off the subs bench or a new signing, will know that they need to fit in with this, they will know how the team plays. Utd simply don't have this at the moment, they don't have a style that you could put your finger on. It is a weakness that needs addressing as otherwise how can you become a proper, bonded, cohesive team. You drift.

 

[Bdill93]

Easier said than done.

Ferguson left an ageing squad, albeit a league winning one although that wasnt purely down to how great they were, more the poor standard around them. Oh and having the PGMOL in his arse pocket?

Of course it is - and thats clearly the same attitude adopted by the hierachy at the moment They just arent bothering.

Fergie left YEARS ago, this isnt on him (except at board level).

It took liverpool 2/3 seasons under Klopp to get somewhere significant, United need the same - maybe more!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Of course it is - and thats clearly the same attitude adopted by the hierachy at the moment They just arent bothering.

Fergie left YEARS ago, this isnt on him (except at board level).

It took liverpool 2/3 seasons under Klopp to get somewhere significant, United need the same - maybe more!

He did and look at the state it was in.

He must take responsibility along with woodward and co.

We had that clown you've currently got who thought he knew better than the manager. It happens.

Will the fans/media give the next Yernited manager 3 seasons? I doubt it.

 

[Bdill93]

He did and look at the state it was in.

He must take responsibility along with woodward and co.

We had that clown you've currently got who thought he knew better than the manager. It happens.

Will the fans/media give the next Yernited manager 3 seasons? I doubt it.

Purslow?

And no - I doubt it too! Ive followed Villa through the ups and downs of Championship football to premier league. Im sure you stuck by liverpool when you went 20+ years without a title. City fans, Leeds fans, West ham - we've all been through hell. United need to learn what that actually is and stop acting so damn entitled. They had it too good for too long and just cant cope with what they are now.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Of course it is - and thats clearly the same attitude adopted by the hierachy at the moment They just arent bothering.

Fergie left YEARS ago, this isnt on him (except at board level).

It took liverpool 2/3 seasons under Klopp to get somewhere significant, United need the same - maybe more!

Fergie left an aging team which needed a complete rebuild for top to bottom.

Fergie also picked his replacement as Moyes but the board didn't back him enough. Got rid after 51 games rather than let him slowly build something ready for a new manager to take them on

Take what he has done at West ham. We had a lot of players on big wages not performing, they have been shipped out

He has worked with the players he had already (ogbonna , cresswell, rice, Antonio, fornals) and got them playing probably the best football in their careers

When dipping into the transfer market he has bought smart. Coufal and soucek were shrewd cheap buissness to beef up the squad

Bowen was exceptional buissness and is one of our best players

Zouma (morals aside) is our best defender

Dawson was a shrewd signing very underrated

Benramha flits in and out but he has produced in Europa

Vlasic is too soon to fully judge. I think he will be like fornals good in the end

He guided us into the Europa League .. now into the final rounds

Had they backed him fully and let him overhaul the squad he would have got them firing again .. ready for a top top manager to take over

I fear they wanted success quick and has cost them it for a decade.

 

[Bdill93]

Fergie left an aging team which needed a complete rebuild for top to bottom.

Fergie also picked his replacement as Moyes but the board didn't back him enough. Got rid after 51 games rather than let him slowly build something ready for a new manager to take them on

Take what he has done at West ham. We had a lot of players on big wages not performing, they have been shipped out

He has worked with the players he had already (ogbonna , cresswell, rice, Antonio, fornals) and got them playing probably the best football in their careers

When dipping into the transfer market he has bought smart. Coufal and soucek were shrewd cheap buissness to beef up the squad

Bowen was exceptional buissness and is one of our best players

Zouma (morals aside) is our best defender

Dawson was a shrewd signing very underrated

Benramha flits in and out but he has produced in Europa

Vlasic is too soon to fully judge. I think he will be like fornals good in the end

He guided us into the Europa League .. now into the final rounds

Had they backed him fully and let him overhaul the squad he would have got them firing again .. ready for a top top manager to take over

I fear they wanted success quick and has cost them it for a decade.

United also failed Moyes in signings.

Couldnt get a single signing over the line to vastly improve the squad... but they did manage to get Fellaini!

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Since Fergie left Utd, I don’t see a manager that has been there long enough to have the control Fergie did. I suspect Moyes May have done if he had been given time, but I don’t think the players wanted him and neither did the fans, who wanted instant success continuation which was never going to happen with the squad there was.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Since Fergie left Utd, I don’t see a manager that has been there long enough to have the control Fergie did. I suspect Moyes May have done if he had been given time, but I don’t think the players wanted him and neither did the fans, who wanted instant success continuation which was never going to happen with the squad there was.

This is my point. No time given and fans still have this massive expectation that they are a PL winning side. Whoever they get needs a minimum of 3 years to get rid of the dead wood and bring players in that add something and not some of the mediocrity they have. The club and the fans need to accept they won't be challenging for the PL or top 4 in that time and if they get Europa League they've had a good year. Good luck to whoever comes in as that's a massive job and will he get the cash and support required

 

[Neilds]

Since Fergie left Utd, I don’t see a manager that has been there long enough to have the control Fergie did. I suspect Moyes May have done if he had been given time, but I don’t think the players wanted him and neither did the fans, who wanted instant success continuation which was never going to happen with the squad there was.

Has Fergie left? Or is his presence (and interference?) still being felt by managers? Does he still have influence on what goes on as every time you watch on TV, there he is. I feel this may put extra pressure on the current manager who may feel like they have one hand tied behind their back. I may be wrong though......

 

[davemc1]

Fergie left an aging team which needed a complete rebuild for top to bottom.

Fergie also picked his replacement as Moyes but the board didn't back him enough. Got rid after 51 games rather than let him slowly build something ready for a new manager to take them on

Take what he has done at West ham. We had a lot of players on big wages not performing, they have been shipped out

He has worked with the players he had already (ogbonna , cresswell, rice, Antonio, fornals) and got them playing probably the best football in their careers

When dipping into the transfer market he has bought smart. Coufal and soucek were shrewd cheap buissness to beef up the squad

Bowen was exceptional buissness and is one of our best players

Zouma (morals aside) is our best defender

Dawson was a shrewd signing very underrated

Benramha flits in and out but he has produced in Europa

Vlasic is too soon to fully judge. I think he will be like fornals good in the end

He guided us into the Europa League .. now into the final rounds

Had they backed him fully and let him overhaul the squad he would have got them firing again .. ready for a top top manager to take over

I fear they wanted success quick and has cost them it for a decade.

All of this and yet yous are still behind the worst Utd team in 40+years. Yeah he’s doing a great job ?‍?

 

[DanFST]

All of this and yet yous are still behind the worst Utd team in 40+years. Yeah he’s doing a great job ?‍?

He is. We are West Ham United, not the glory hunting, spoiled by success Manchester United. Who finished 2nd in the table last year. Since then, let's look at the signings.

Manchester United:

Ronaldo
Sancho
Varane

West Ham:
Vlasic (squad player)
Kral (squad player)
Areola on loan as a backup to Fabianski.
EDIT: forgot about the cat kicker who has missed half the season.


All those players signed, and they are only 2 points ahead of little old West Ham after 28 games. Jesus.