The Footie Thread

[Tashyboy]

Anyone else starting to think Conte is just a mediocre manager when he can't buy a whole host of new players??

It’s ok blaming the manager but who has replaced Ericsson. Who is the creative player. Winks is stealing a living . unfortunately you cannot play City every week ?

 

[Orikoru]

It’s ok blaming the manager but who has replaced Ericsson. Who is the creative player. Winks is stealing a living . unfortunately you cannot play City every week ?

Well, we bought Ndombele, he turned out to be a lazy tosser. We bought Lo Celso who basically did nothing. Brought in Bryan Gil who was promptly loaned out 6 months later. We tried to bring in replacements but they just didn't work out. This is what happens when you don't pay top buck for already world class players. Even back when Eriksen arrived in the first place it was only £12m, so that was one that did pay off.

 

[Bdill93]

Well, we bought Ndombele, he turned out to be a lazy tosser. We bought Lo Celso who basically did nothing. Brought in Bryan Gil who was promptly loaned out 6 months later. We tried to bring in replacements but they just didn't work out. This is what happens when you don't pay top buck for already world class players. Even back when Eriksen arrived in the first place it was only £12m, so that was one that did pay off.

Or you bring in a decent coach that improves the players you already have too.. Been a while since you had one of those too

 

[Orikoru]

Or you bring in a decent coach that improves the players you already have too.. Been a while since you had one of those too

Yeah his name was Pochettino, we sacked him though.

 

[GB72]

Again, remember I have a limited football knowledge, but a certain number of modern 'top class' managers do annoy me (maybe this should be a random irritation). It seems that they put forward their pedigree or winning things but those wins only come on the back of a budget the size of of some countries GDP to bring in a significant number of world class players to play in the only system they want to play. What happened to the old fashioned idea of a manager coming in and developing and improving the players that he has, finding a system that works for the existing playing personnel etc. Currently it seems like a manager comes in, says 'right we are playing 4-3-3' or whatever system is the system of the day and then brazenly admits that the team will not be good until he has a few transfer windows to buy in players who can actually play in the system he wants to play.

 

[Bdill93]

Yeah his name was Pochettino, we sacked him though.

Did stagnate a bit though to be fair, but a lot of teams do after losing a big final. If you really had to sack him you just needed a fresh face with similar ideology.

Instead you went Mourinho - which always ends badly.

 

[Bdill93]

Again, remember I have a limited football knowledge, but a certain number of modern 'top class' managers do annoy me (maybe this should be a random irritation). It seems that they put forward their pedigree or winning things but those wins only come on the back of a budget the size of of some countries GDP to bring in a significant number of world class players to play in the only system they want to play. What happened to the old fashioned idea of a manager coming in and developing and improving the players that he has, finding a system that works for the existing playing personnel etc. Currently it seems like a manager comes in, says 'right we are playing 4-3-3' or whatever system is the system of the day and then brazenly admits that the team will not be good until he has a few transfer windows to buy in players who can actually play in the system he wants to play.

Its a slower route to success if you are cash rich.

You dont get time in modern football, its win now or be fired.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Did stagnate a bit though to be fair, but a lot of teams do after losing a big final. If you really had to sack him you just needed a fresh face with similar ideology.

Instead you went Mourinho - which always ends badly.

Sometimes the big name manager isn’t the best option!

Leeds have at least gone for a new manager with a similar philosophy to Bielsa. Whereas many teams like Spurs have, go with a big name who has a completely different playing style.

 

[Orikoru]

Again, remember I have a limited football knowledge, but a certain number of modern 'top class' managers do annoy me (maybe this should be a random irritation). It seems that they put forward their pedigree or winning things but those wins only come on the back of a budget the size of of some countries GDP to bring in a significant number of world class players to play in the only system they want to play. What happened to the old fashioned idea of a manager coming in and developing and improving the players that he has, finding a system that works for the existing playing personnel etc. Currently it seems like a manager comes in, says 'right we are playing 4-3-3' or whatever system is the system of the day and then brazenly admits that the team will not be good until he has a few transfer windows to buy in players who can actually play in the system he wants to play.

Yep. That's Conte in a nutshell, and exactly why I can't understand why we hired him. Seems like such a bad fit from the get-go.

 

[GB72]

Yep. That's Conte in a nutshell, and exactly why I can't understand why we hired him. Seems like such a bad fit from the get-go.

Cannot understand how either saw it as a good idea, a manager who needs a significant budget to produce a winning side going to a club with a massive aversion to actually spending money.

 

[Tashyboy]

Well, we bought Ndombele, he turned out to be a lazy tosser. We bought Lo Celso who basically did nothing. Brought in Bryan Gil who was promptly loaned out 6 months later. We tried to bring in replacements but they just didn't work out. This is what happens when you don't pay top buck for already world class players. Even back when Eriksen arrived in the first place it was only £12m, so that was one that did pay off.

it’s a fine line between paying Oil money billions and bargain basement fees. Oddly enough I came across a player transfer table from when the prem league started ? there’s some interesting stuff in what teams have paid and the return they have generated from that “ investment “.

 

[Jensen]

As I’ve said before, the blame lies with Levy. Lovely state of the art ground, but if the film is rubbish it won’t fill the cinema.
Getting the right management structure in place is key for long term success. Levy just seems to look short term

 

[Swango1980]

Yep. That's Conte in a nutshell, and exactly why I can't understand why we hired him. Seems like such a bad fit from the get-go.

Yet some mocked Man Utd for not immediately employing him as manager to replace Ole. Didn't seem to matter he may not be the best fit, all that mattered was get whatever big name happens to be available mid season.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Anyone else starting to think Conte is just a mediocre manager when he can't buy a whole host of new players??

Based on 6 months with an average squad?

What genuinely did you expect from him?

Managers these days dont get the time they need. Generally, Fans expectations need to come down a peg or two.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Yet some mocked Man Utd for not immediately employing him as manager to replace Ole. Didn't seem to matter he may not be the best fit, all that mattered was get whatever big name happens to be available mid season.

Most manager appointments are a gamble, very few look the right fit from the beginning.

The most important thing is giving managers time.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Again, remember I have a limited football knowledge, but a certain number of modern 'top class' managers do annoy me (maybe this should be a random irritation). It seems that they put forward their pedigree or winning things but those wins only come on the back of a budget the size of of some countries GDP to bring in a significant number of world class players to play in the only system they want to play. What happened to the old fashioned idea of a manager coming in and developing and improving the players that he has, finding a system that works for the existing playing personnel etc. Currently it seems like a manager comes in, says 'right we are playing 4-3-3' or whatever system is the system of the day and then brazenly admits that the team will not be good until he has a few transfer windows to buy in players who can actually play in the system he wants to play.

Jurgen isn't old fashioned.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Anyone else starting to think Conte is just a mediocre manager when he can't buy a whole host of new players??

So let's look at who he bought at Chelsea then;

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/kante-drinkwater-morata-12-players-22008535

Alvaro Morata
Tiemoue Bakayoko
Danny Drinkwater
Michy Batshuayi
N'Golo Kante
David Luiz
Antonio Rudiger
Davide Zappacosta
Marcos Alonso
Olivier Giroud
Emerson
Ross Barkley

And he sold;

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/antonio-conte-players-chelsea-sold-20861765

Mohamed Salah
Diego Costa
John Terry
Juan Cuadrado
Nathan Ake
Nemanja Matic
Asmir Begovic
Patrick Bamford
Oscar
Christian Atsu
Christian Cuevas
Nathaniel Chalobah
Marko Marin
Stipa Perica
Papy Djilobodji

Might be more accurate to say that he won trophies despite his transfers rather than because of them. Conte changed the formation after losses to Liverpool & Arsenal and went on to win the league with a then-record of 30 wins. But he can only buy success?

Maybe it's not Conte...

 

[Orikoru]

Yet some mocked Man Utd for not immediately employing him as manager to replace Ole. Didn't seem to matter he may not be the best fit, all that mattered was get whatever big name happens to be available mid season.

Well, he would have been ideal for Man Utd, just not us. Man Utd always throw money at problems, that's exactly what Conte wants!

 

[Swango1980]

Well, he would have been ideal for Man Utd, just not us. Man Utd always throw money at problems, that's exactly what Conte wants!

Personally, I don't see him as ideal for Man Utd.

Man Utd do always throw money at problems. The last several years has shown that is not always the perfect solution. If Man Utd actually do have some sort of long term strategy, learning from past failures, I'd like them to actually stick to it, rather than just employ the first big name that comes along (is available) and hope for the best.

 

[Orikoru]

So let's look at who he bought at Chelsea then;

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/kante-drinkwater-morata-12-players-22008535

Alvaro Morata
Tiemoue Bakayoko
Danny Drinkwater
Michy Batshuayi
N'Golo Kante
David Luiz
Antonio Rudiger
Davide Zappacosta
Marcos Alonso
Olivier Giroud
Emerson
Ross Barkley

And he sold;

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/antonio-conte-players-chelsea-sold-20861765

Mohamed Salah
Diego Costa
John Terry
Juan Cuadrado
Nathan Ake
Nemanja Matic
Asmir Begovic
Patrick Bamford
Oscar
Christian Atsu
Christian Cuevas
Nathaniel Chalobah
Marko Marin
Stipa Perica
Papy Djilobodji

Might be more accurate to say that he won trophies despite his transfers rather than because of them. Conte changed the formation after losses to Liverpool & Arsenal and went on to win the league with a then-record of 30 wins. But he can only buy success?

Maybe it's not Conte...

So a hell of a lot of money spent, and from that scattercash approach that you ended up with Kante, Rudiger, Luiz and Alonso who all became key players in the side. I think the Spurs equivalent would be buying Zappacosta and Bakayoko out of that list and none of the others.