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The Footie Thread

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GB72 said:
Herein lies a major point. Technology has not, as far as I know, been applied to a game as fast paced and continuous as football. Where it works there is a slower pace and more natural breaks. Maybe the answer is that some sports are simply not suited to video reffing.
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Possibly the most sensible thing posted.
But no matter how good the tech.
The City non penalty was human error. A very bad error that’s why most fans can’t belive a PL VAR ref having seen it from all those angles still didn’t give a pen or tell the ref to go have a look.
It’s not the tech it’s the idiots using it.
 
Swango1980 said:
OK, I know I'm a telly clapper, but I do watch the games with the volume up. If a referee was to decide whether or not to check VAR based on fan and player reaction, they'd be at the monitor dozens of times per game. Especially when players and fans realise they can pressure a ref to review something.
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Yes I get that but I think most refs can tell they have missed something based on the players reaction and the fans.
If the ref sees it then fine just ignore them ,but I don’t think he saw the City handball and went on the VAR refs decision.
If he had gone the monitor when the ball was dead I think he gives that.
Mind you the one there in var didn’t.
I think that is the main problem they are backing each other up even when they are wrong.
The on pitch ref should be in charge and be able to do what he likes including replaying anything he wants to see.
Might take more time but would at least stop what happened with Everton.
 
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clubchamp98 said:
Yes I get that but I think most refs can tell they have missed something based on the players reaction and the fans.
If the ref sees it then fine just ignore them ,but I don’t think he saw the City handball and went on the VAR refs decision.
If he had gone the monitor when the ball was dead I think he gives that.
Mind you the one there in var didn’t.
I think that is the main problem they are backing each other up even when they are wrong.
The on pitch ref should be in charge and be able to do what he likes including replaying anything he wants to see.
Might take more time but would at least stop what happened with Everton.
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Yes, but you don't know what you don't see. A ref may think they have seen an incident for what it was, and that it is cut and dry. Yet, if there was a huge appeal, they'll wonder what they didn't see. Did they miss something based on their angle? If the ref still doesn't bother reviewing, I can imagine players will harass him for as much as they can get away with, and fans will vent even more fury towards him for not even checking.

At the moment, that fury is directed towards the VAR guy who is not there to take the abuse. The VAR guy is also at least able to review multiple angles, etc. and go over it multiple times.

I assume the ref was looking at the Man City handball incident. Maybe his angle was poor, or maybe it happened so quickly and he felt it hit the shoulder.

If it was only down to him and his use of VAR, he'd really have to.play safe and choose to review the incident. But, he'd also have to review an incident when players appeal after a ball slams into a players chest, are arm that is tucked in close to chest. Just in case what he saw didn't reflect reality from a different angle.

I don't mind it being kept as it is, but it would be nice to hear the ref and VAR chat about the incident. Sometimes it appears the ref is as much in the dark as the fans, unless VAR finally gives him the green light to look at the monitor.
 
Swango1980 said:
Yes, but you don't know what you don't see. A ref may think they have seen an incident for what it was, and that it is cut and dry. Yet, if there was a huge appeal, they'll wonder what they didn't see. Did they miss something based on their angle? If the ref still doesn't bother reviewing, I can imagine players will harass him for as much as they can get away with, and fans will vent even more fury towards him for not even checking.

At the moment, that fury is directed towards the VAR guy who is not there to take the abuse. The VAR guy is also at least able to review multiple angles, etc. and go over it multiple times.

I assume the ref was looking at the Man City handball incident. Maybe his angle was poor, or maybe it happened so quickly and he felt it hit the shoulder.

If it was only down to him and his use of VAR, he'd really have to.play safe and choose to review the incident. But, he'd also have to review an incident when players appeal after a ball slams into a players chest, are arm that is tucked in close to chest. Just in case what he saw didn't reflect reality from a different angle.

I don't mind it being kept as it is, but it would be nice to hear the ref and VAR chat about the incident. Sometimes it appears the ref is as much in the dark as the fans, unless VAR finally gives him the green light to look at the monitor.
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Yes I see your point just thinking out loud atm.
But somethings got to change.
It’s the human error that’s the problem but we had that without VAR.
At least we accepted the ref made a mistake/ missed it.
But the VAR official really dosnt have that excuse and if such a level of human error it there we might as well not have it.
 
Jimaroid said:
I think you're just taking the contrary view for the sake of wanting an argument.
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Think whatever you want, but I'm not! The brevity of my initial responce, which you didn't need to respond to, should indicate that!
The rest of your post may/may not be right, but is (pretty much) irrelevant to the 'causes more issues than it solves' statement that I responded to.
 
GB72 said:
Herein lies a major point. Technology has not, as far as I know, been applied to a game as fast paced and continuous as football. Where it works there is a slower pace and more natural breaks. Maybe the answer is that some sports are simply not suited to video reffing.
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Perhaps. But in this particular case, the pace of the game was irrelevant.
 
Good to see the ref making his own decisions with no VAR to worry about.
The game was better without it .
Well done to Borough thought they deserved it.
Some poor finishing though but great goal for the young lad.
 
Jensen said:
We have no creativity in midfield. Eriksen has never been replaced. We need a player who can open things up and pull the strings.
I don’t understand why Winks plays, he offers and does nothing, he’s a passenger.
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Winks had a terrible game far to many sideways and backward passes, your right we need more creative players.

I’ve said before playing this counter attacking system is ok against the better sides but it was very noticeable that we were far to deep giving Boro more possession and confidence.

But forgetting about the tactics for a moment our players didn’t show the fight and will to win that the Boro players did.

Well that’s it for another season.
 
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