Foxholer
Blackballed
Might still need to for a while - until the club get used to exprssions like 'the whole ball o' wax', physicality, bi-weekly, least worst option and many others!
Ryan Fraser was interviewed on Motd after their win and asked 'what has Eddie Howe changed?' 'Everything ' came the reply. He then gave a list of what Howe has improved. They then went back to the studio and Lineker asked Shearer about it, Shearer being a big mate of Bruce as well as a Toon legend of course. I don't think I have seen Alan concentrate so hard whilst giving an answer ?. It was a masterclass in avoiding the crux of the question whilst still answering part of it.
I know Fraser wasn't getting a game under Bruce, he is now a regular under Howe, so there may be no love lost. However, the displays are worlds apart, Newcastle now have a method to their play, they have a unity, drive and lord above, Joelinton is now no longer the worst player ever to pull on a PL shirt. He is actually pretty decent ?. Toon fans have every right to say 'told you so'.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I'm pretty sure some in hear were saying Howe was a bad manager not long ago. Surely that assessment wasn't flawed?
How Hodgson ever got the England job i'll never know, even based on tournament results (not inc qualifiers)he never deserved 2 tournaments nevermimd 3.
His opening line in the press conference the day after they'd crashed out of Euro '16 summed him up " i dont know what i'm doing here".??
Allardyce was another one. His mates in the media definitely got him that job.
You know its bad when Lallana saves your bacon....?
Allardyce being exposed was a blessing.
Aside from Hodgson being well connected within UEFA with his coaching, I think getting little Fulham to a European final definitely gave him a gold tarnish with the FA and so it became inevitable that as an FA yes man who wouldn't rock the boat he'd get the gig given the lack of candidates at that time.
Ha ha. It's early days of course and I don't think anyone is saying he is the new Pep. He certainly has transformed Newcastle from being absolute relegation certainties to being half decent. He has also done it without reverting to an Allardyce template of survival, ugly but highly successful. They are starting to play decent football, he is getting the most out of his players. He is certainly getting more from them all than Bruce was and they are now quite watchable. That is not a bad start. (I agree with your confusion, does this mean some of the forum pundits could be mistaken
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Slime
Tour Winner
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I thought he was the wrong manager for a relegation scrap given how many goals his teams concede. Not many teams escape relegation by coming out swinging and trying to outscore opponents. Still though, they have enjoyed something of a new manager bounce. And they've had a nice run of fixtures where they've been able to beat the teams around them (Leeds, Everton, Brentford). Fair play to them, it looks like they'll be alright now, and the third team to go down could be out of Brentford or Leeds.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
He was and has always been great with fans. I think due to his family more than anything.
Doesnt mean I like the guy though.
Dirty sell outJensen
Tour Rookie
Before Shearer even opened his mouth, no doubt he did his usual “tilt head back and look down his nose” posture.
Arrogant individual.
Cherry13
Head Pro
Just the other day someone referenced his defensive record with Bournemouth as a reason why they thought we would go down…. Just started writing this and seen a few other messages come through. I’ll tap out.Ha ha. It's early days of course and I don't think anyone is saying he is the new Pep. He certainly has transformed Newcastle from being absolute relegation certainties to being half decent. He has also done it without reverting to an Allardyce template of survival, ugly but highly successful. They are starting to play decent football, he is getting the most out of his players. He is certainly getting more from them all than Bruce was and they are now quite watchable. That is not a bad start. (I agree with your confusion, does this mean some of the forum pundits could be mistaken
Swango1980
Well-known member
I watched the recent Overlap Live episode with Neville, Keane and Carragher (good watch). Keane was asked if he found it difficult to work with any pundits after the rivalry he had with them during his career. He said, on the most part, no. However, there were one or 2 that it just didn't work with. He identified one pundit he didn't get on with, Alan Shearer.
Swango1980
Well-known member
In general, it is probably best to separate pride / hope in fellow country men, and a prejudice against people from another country. I'm sure there are plenty of examples where the press have been full of praise for foreign managers, and many many examples where the press have been critical of British managers. However, we live in Britain, so it should be no surprise that you are going to see many familiar British faces in management, managers who will have gone through good and bad times. It is more to do with geography than actual xenophobia. I am guessing in most other countries, most managers will be natives of that country? They are more connected to the footballing and broader culture of that country.
Besides, even if such accusations are going to be made against the press in general, perhaps it should be asked of society in general? It wasn't that long ago the following statement was made on this forum:
"Leeds have appointed some American bloke. Relegation confirmed"
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In general, it is probably best to separate pride / hope in fellow country men, and a prejudice against people from another country. I'm sure there are plenty of examples where the press have been full of praise for foreign managers, and many many examples where the press have been critical of British managers. However, we live in Britain, so it should be no surprise that you are going to see many familiar British faces in management, managers who will have gone through good and bad times. It is more to do with geography than actual xenophobia. I am guessing in most other countries, most managers will be natives of that country? They are more connected to the footballing and broader culture of that country.
Besides, even if such accusations are going to be made against the press in general, perhaps it should be asked of society in general? It wasn't that long ago the following statement was made on this forum:
"Leeds have appointed some American bloke. Relegation confirmed"
English football is more European than English these days. English football, at the top level, has very little culture/tradition left.
It seems to me that the merry go round of failed British managers seem to keep getting jobs after jobs. I dont see what these chief execs do who repeatedly employ the same old names.
Bruce,Allardyce,Curbishley,Strachan, Hughes, Pardew etc etc
Until recently, every next mangaer list was the same old washed up failures for job after job.
You're spot on, xenophobia exists in modern day society so its no surprise its in football.
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Mike Riley is going down a dangerous road apologising to chairmen and managers.
It is generalisations as much as anything. We go through phases of being in awe of managers from particular countries, as though they must all be brilliant. We have gone through Spanish managers, Italian, Germans are currently on trend. The reality is that they are as hit and miss as others but one does well and chairman all pile in. We haven't had a successful US manager in the PL so therefore they must be useless, until the Leeds manager does well at which point others will pile in........
greenone
Active member
I don't know how they've made such a mess of var. Would it help having an ex player and a referee in the var room?
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VAR was always going to cause issues when you have one of the worst Refs in history running it - might as well have Rennie helping him out
https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1498591061106733059?s=21
Better to apologise than to blindly claim a decision was correct when it clearly was not. The game is not going to be replayed, we still don't have any points from the match, but at least now we can accept that the refs have acknowledged a mistake was made. We move on to the next game.......
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No. It would only make it worse.
Jimaroid
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It is a slippery slope though. It sets a precedent to all the clubs now to expect more acknowledgement of mistakes week to week. Project that situation forward and how long before we see clubs demanding compensation.
I know a better VAR is coming but it's causing more issues than it solves in its current form.
Bizarre really. I don't understand why anything was said here at all, it's a situation that is probably better dealt with by saying nothing and moving on.
