The Footie Thread

[BrianM]

If it has to be clear and obvious then for me it’s not a penalty, I’m probably very much in the minority though.
Thought Everton were excellent though and will have no trouble staying up if they play with that intensity week in week out.

 

[Rlburnside]

They managed to get Lukaku in and all those others in by selling players - Chelsea have been self sufficient for a while now and have built up their financial income to ensure they don’t rely on the owners money

They have a lot of players that can be sold to generate funds

It’s debatable if any club could be self sufficient without investment from wealthy owners in the long term.

Anyway taking football out of the equation with the current situation I hope sanctions are taken including against Abramovich and no more Russian money can flow into this country

 

[Blue in Munich]

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Tell that to Wolves

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497653906767233024

Is the ball at that point actually in contact with the arm? it looks as though there could be daylight between the ball & the arm but it is clearly impossible to tell categorically, therefore there is insufficient evidence of a clear and obvious error to overturn the decision.

If Tierney had given it there is clearly insufficient evidence to prove there was no contact so the penalty would have stood.

It's "one of those".

 

[4LEX]

What does stewardship mean though? It doesn’t seem to mean anything legally so it looks like a clever PR exercise.

Keeping a low profile and running the club from his yacht or Russia. He knows the heat he's under and the PL are too weak to do anything so thinks this will buy him time until it blows over.

As an owner he's done a remarkable job, won trophies and achieved so much success on and off the pitch. He's also taken advantage of scouting and academy football which harvests players for profit either through sales or loan fees. The first big club to realise they can make serious money doing that even if they hardly kick a ball for the first team.

 

[Jimaroid]

It’s a pointless discussion. IF Tierney had given it, Richy would have missed anyway because that’s just the way we are. ?

 

[clubchamp98]

Is the ball at that point actually in contact with the arm? it looks as though there could be daylight between the ball & the arm but it is clearly impossible to tell categorically, therefore there is insufficient evidence of a clear and obvious error to overturn the decision.

If Tierney had given it there is clearly insufficient evidence to prove there was no contact so the penalty would have stood.

It's "one of those".

Think most fans would say that’s a pen !
But it shows how poor the rules are now that it could go either way.

 

[Swango1980]

Is the ball at that point actually in contact with the arm? it looks as though there could be daylight between the ball & the arm but it is clearly impossible to tell categorically, therefore there is insufficient evidence of a clear and obvious error to overturn the decision.

If Tierney had given it there is clearly insufficient evidence to prove there was no contact so the penalty would have stood.

It's "one of those".

Agreed, although I felt it was handball, I am pretty sure the ball is not touching the player's arm in that second photo. If it was, it would be the most obvious handball for VAR to give.

I'm guessing that photo was taken after it hit the player and was falling down? If so, it proves that one shouldn't put to much faith in a still photo.

 

[larmen]

As an owner he's done a remarkable job, won trophies and achieved so much success on and off the pitch. He's also taken advantage of scouting and academy football which harvests players for profit either through sales or loan fees. The first big club to realise they can make serious money doing that even if they hardly kick a ball for the first team.

KdB ?

 

[Blue in Munich]

We had a 10 page discussion about this the other week. For some reason the FA have decided that an arm finishes where the shirt sleeve starts. So half of the upper arm is deemed not an arm. ? I said the other week when a similar incident happened it was rammel. I still stand by it. That was a nailed on handball by Rodrigo. But the powers that be deem it not to be. The only thing positive was that they are consistent in enforcing a rubbish rule.

There was an incident in the Leeds Spurs game earlier today when a ball driven into a thigh bounced up into an arm inside the area. No penalty.

in the Liverpool Chelsea game, a ball driven at goal came off Reece James' thigh as he tried to block it and bounced into his arm. Penalty and a red card.

Consistent my arse.

 

[Tashyboy]

If it has to be clear and obvious then for me it’s not a penalty, I’m probably very much in the minority though.
Thought Everton were excellent though and will have no trouble staying up if they play with that intensity week in week out.

Last time I saw Lampard in charge of a team v City, they got battered.Not so tonight. The difference between This week and last week was Kane. If Everton had took there chances City would have been in trouble.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It’s a pointless discussion. IF Tierney had given it, Richy would have missed anyway because that’s just the way we are. ?

Nah, he'd have been on the floor holding his face

 

[Tashyboy]

There was an incident in the Leeds Spurs game earlier today when a ball driven into a thigh bounced up into an arm inside the area. No penalty.

in the Liverpool Chelsea game, a ball driven at goal came off Reece James' thigh as he tried to block it and bounced into his arm. Penalty and a red card.

Consistent my arse.

In the two instances I commented on they were consistent in enforcing a rubbish rule.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Think most fans would say that’s a pen !
But it shows how poor the rules are now that it could go either way.

Was it a penalty; on the balance of probabilities, yes.

But under the VAR system, if Tierney doesn't award it there has to be evidence of a clear and obvious error; from the pictures there's a strong likelihood that he probably missed it, but not evidence beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[4LEX]

KdB ?

He's one that slipped through the net but in terms of profit they still made over £10m on him and that's without his sell clause when he went to City.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Definitely a penalty in my opinion although Pep seems adamant it would have been offside. Some touching scenes for the Ukranian players.

 

[clubchamp98]

Was it a penalty; on the balance of probabilities, yes.

But under the VAR system, if Tierney doesn't award it there has to be evidence of a clear and obvious error; from the pictures there's a strong likelihood that he probably missed it, but not evidence beyond all reasonable doubt.

Yes but it’s the way the law is set up.
It’s as if your arm isn’t in your shirt sleeve..
Maybe all football kits need different coloured sleeves than the main body .
Stupid rule.imo.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497653596074172418

Couple of pictures show from the front as well

We've seen pens given for less.

My issue is because of the the shitshow that is VAR and how its used, the on field ref isnt making the final decision. Kavannagh must be looking at that and thinking i'll err on the side of caution and let the ref make his decision. That would be the best way to use the tech theyve got. Unfortunately its not allowed.

Mike Riley and his cronies have ruined the use of the Tech.

Wasnt it Kavannagh/Tierney who never gave the pen at spurs on Jota?

Afterall, handball is "subjective".

 

[Blue in Munich]

Yes but it’s the way the law is set up.
It’s as if your arm isn’t in your shirt sleeve..
Maybe all football kits need different coloured sleeves than the main body .
Stupid rule.imo.

I'm not disputing that; I'm just saying that on this occasion the officials appear to be perfectly applying an imperfect law & review system.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Poland and Sweden refuse to play Russia - https://www.skysports.com/football/...h-russia-in-opposition-to-invasion-of-ukraine

Can see FIFA making a mess of this. Should be a simple decision in the current climate surely?

 

[Piece]

There was an incident in the Leeds Spurs game earlier today when a ball driven into a thigh bounced up into an arm inside the area. No penalty.

in the Liverpool Chelsea game, a ball driven at goal came off Reece James' thigh as he tried to block it and bounced into his arm. Penalty and a red card.

Consistent my arse.

I didn’t see the first incident. Genuine question…Did the arm stop the ball from going in the goal like the Reece James one?