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The Footie Thread

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Stuart_C said:
Nothing is harsh against the french.
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Don't think you are in the slightest btw before I say this but isn't this kind of joke part of the issue with sports/ our British culture casual racism which we deem fine and dandy but what does the party on the other end think?

Like when we constantly monk the Scots etc

On one hand we say we need to stamp it out but then it's so engrained in our culture we don't even think twice about slagging the French off
 
pauljames87 said:
Don't think you are in the slightest btw before I say this but isn't this kind of joke part of the issue with sports/ our British culture casual racism which we deem fine and dandy but what does the party on the other end think?

Like when we constantly monk the Scots etc

On one hand we say we need to stamp it out but then it's so engrained in our culture we don't even think twice about slagging the French off
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I'd pay good money to see that!:ROFLMAO::LOL:
 
pauljames87 said:
Don't think you are in the slightest btw before I say this but isn't this kind of joke part of the issue with sports/ our British culture casual racism which we deem fine and dandy but what does the party on the other end think?

Like when we constantly monk the Scots etc

On one hand we say we need to stamp it out but then it's so engrained in our culture we don't even think twice about slagging the French off
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It’s not racism. It’s xenophobia. I’m not sure there’s a ‘kick xenophobia out of football’ movement. It’s harder to fit on the t shirts
 
Ended up watching the Scotland game. Proper game and an immense performance. The fact is England have always had matches against whipping boys (Macdonald getting five v Cyprus) and sticking nine past Luxembourg and it is hard to see how far those two nations have developed since those games. As long as the FA sees a benefit (normally money of course) for entering the WC and EC then they will. Hard to see how the players develop as has been pointed out but I guess getting a famous shirt to put on your wall and the chance to tell the grand kids who you played against makes the drubbing worth the pain
 
pauljames87 said:
Don't think you are in the slightest btw before I say this but isn't this kind of joke part of the issue with sports/ our British culture casual racism which we deem fine and dandy but what does the party on the other end think?

Like when we constantly monk the Scots etc

On one hand we say we need to stamp it out but then it's so engrained in our culture we don't even think twice about slagging the French off
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Casual racism?? Warwick Hunt.

Are you really this stupid or is it just your internet persona trying to be holier than thou?
 
Stuart_C said:
Casual racism?? Warwick Hunt.

Are you really this stupid or is it just your internet persona trying to be holier than thou?
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Stu honestly I said I don't think you are at all racist in the slightest but isn't the way we the English bash the French, scots etc casual racism? We don't see it as such but isn't it part of the issue that's engrained in sport and culture

We have a thread on this page about racism in sport etc and then on here we don't mind posting bashing the French etc .. isn't it part of the acceptance in what's the issue?
 
pauljames87 said:
Stu honestly I said I don't think you are at all racist in the slightest but isn't the way we the English bash the French, scots etc casual racism? We don't see it as such but isn't it part of the issue that's engrained in sport and culture

We have a thread on this page about racism in sport etc and then on here we don't mind posting bashing the French etc .. isn't it part of the acceptance in what's the issue?
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Apart from the fact, it’s not actually racism! It can’t be racism in sport if the example you use isn’t an actual example of racism.
Not saying racism doesn’t exist but you might as well cite examples of name calling against gingers for all of the relevance of the above
 
Leftitshort said:
Apart from the fact, it’s not actually racism! It can’t be racism in sport if the example you use isn’t an actual example of racism.
Not saying racism doesn’t exist but you might as well cite examples of name calling against gingers for all of the relevance of the above
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Isn't Vaughan in trouble for saying too many of your lot here we need to do something about that? To the guy in the Yorkshire cricket team

I haven't been keeping up much ..

Sounds like something prince Phillip would have said and years ago was semi accepted as humour

Now you can't say that at all

How is it any different if we go "problem with France.. too many french"
 
If Michael Vaughan said what was reported to a racially specific group, it doesn’t look great but only he (if it was said) will know his motivation. Context can be key as he didn’t use a racially specific insult.

The French/Scots/Irish etc aren’t a race. Same as jokes about scousers nicking stuff aren’t racist. They may not be funny but they aren’t racist.

If your don’t celebrate/recognise difference the world is very vanilla
 
Leftitshort said:
If Michael Vaughan said what was reported to a racially specific group, it doesn’t look great but only he (if it was said) will know his motivation. Context can be key as he didn’t use a racially specific insult.

The French/Scots/Irish etc aren’t a race. Same as jokes about scousers nicking stuff aren’t racist. They may not be funny but they aren’t racist.

If your don’t celebrate/recognise difference the world is very vanilla
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I agree entirely with what you are saying. I'm asking is the tribalism about these things part of the issue? Scot may not be a race but if I made a anti Scottish joke I'd be pulled up on it at work for sure on the policies
 
pauljames87 said:
Stu honestly I said I don't think you are at all racist in the slightest but isn't the way we the English bash the French, scots etc casual racism? We don't see it as such but isn't it part of the issue that's engrained in sport and culture

We have a thread on this page about racism in sport etc and then on here we don't mind posting bashing the French etc .. isn't it part of the acceptance in what's the issue?
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I think today, we rightly say racism is bad. People will have mocked you had you spoken out against making fun of people of colour 50 odd years ago.

However, xenophobia is still perfectly acceptable, apparently. I mean, journalists will still happily say stuff like "that is the French for you" when the British and French governments are having a disagreement. Happily label all French people within the same negative stereotype.

So, society allows us to be xenophobic today. However, who knows in 10 or 20 years time. Maybe, by then, it will be completely unacceptable, and users in this forum will be desperately trying to delete past messages for fear of being identified and sacked from their job. Social attitudes change quickly these days.
 
Leftitshort said:
Worlds gone mad
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Again I fully entirely agree with you.

However we accept jokes against the French as fine

But "banta" again those of a diff colour is rightly wrong. What's the diff with making comments against people for being from diff country it's still accepted
 
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