DanFST
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Better watch my hubcaps around you.
Better watch my hubcaps around you.
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Deleted member 1740
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Oh i didnt know skateboards had hub caps on them?
Be careful though, casual stereotyping could be misconstrued as racism by some on here ?
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Deleted member 1740
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Racism and casual stereotyping is miles apart.
Yes, to some it may be the same but lets not kid ourselves here its not.
Swango1980
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Casual stereotyping of people of colour?
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Deleted member 21784
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What spurs call themselves. Which is totally unacceptable now
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Deleted member 1740
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Dont be a pleb. You know quite well as soon as anyones colour, race and now religion is mentioned it becomes racial.
Or is all casual stereotyping deemed as racism?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I do find it weird though when people try and justify what is essentially prejudice by saying "it's not racism, it's xenophobia". Great, you've redefined it, so you win on a technicality? Homophobia isn't racism so that must be fine too. It's a weird line to take I think. Prejudice is prejudice at the end of the day, it comes in many forms.
People are obviously fine with bashing French people, I don't care that much because I'm not French, but if there was a French member on the forum? They had to read all that and then started to feel they weren't welcome because people here hate the French? What then? Probably shouldn't just dismiss it out of hand.
(Maybe this discussion should have been on that Racism in Sport thread actually.)
Leftitshort
Well-known member
Not dismissing it. Just saying it’s not racism. Also homophobia and racism are legislated against, xenophobia isn’t. How do you? Ban *** jokes?
Swango1980
Well-known member
Why are you getting so offended? Nobody is accusing anybody of anything here, and specifically said so. You seem extremely defensive, but perhaps that is a result of todays society that people feel they need to be.
It was a simple and topical question originated by Pauljames. Negative comments about people of different nationalities is considered acceptable, as you acknowledge. Exactly the same would have been said years ago if similar comments were made of people of colour. Now it is called racism and people lose their jobs and reputation for making such remarks. 50 years ago someone might have said to me "don't be a pleb" if I questioned their comment on a racial subject matter.
In todays society, context means little when it comes to race. I've no idea what was on Michael Vaughan's mind, but perhaps he truly felt it was banter and he had no ill feeling or awareness of any harm he was doing. Today, he will probably struggle to stay in a job because of it.
When it comes to nationality, context is certainly key, and we can almost say what we like. However, like race now, will this be something to also change in the future? This is simply a discussion, nobody is trying to throw anyone else under the bus.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I don't have all the answers. I'm just not sure why xenophobia isn't treated the same as racism. Effectively the same thing, treating someone differently because of something they were born into and can't control.
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Deleted member 16999
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Yet you called people idiots on here a while back when defending “Yid Army” chants by them not understanding the context.
You can’t have it both ways.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Because the intention is completely the opposite. Akin to black people calling each other the N word, it's not used in a negative context is it? It's not Spurs fans attacking their own, it's an attempt to show solidarity with them. At the same time though, I have softened my view and despite it's good intentions, it might appear misguided to others and if it had to go in the interest of stamping out prejudice I'd be absolutely fine with that.
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It’s impact not intent though, the french comment on here was very light hearted banter, but some deemed it racism etc.
I’m sure if someone was offended they could of reported the post.??
I’m sure if someone was offended they could of reported the post.??
Swango1980
Well-known member
They didn't deem it racism? Not the way I read it anyway. They simply asked is it any different to racism? Could the context of such comments be deemed as offensive to some French people in the same way racial comments are offensive to some people of race. "Light hearted banter" is no excuse when it comes to racism these days, but that was not always the case. So, will "Light hearted banter" be an excuse when it comes to nationality in the future. I'm sure "light hearted banter" would have been a great get out for Michael Vaughan back in the day, but it will not get him out of trouble today.
I agree that the context was light hearted banter and no harm was meant. Personally, I think context is key as well. But it is simply an interesting point, albeit shifting the tone from light hearted banter to serious moral questions.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
Can we get back to football please? (Im not ignoring racism -its just not the thread for this discussion - Racism in Sport has its own thread)
Looking forward to Stevie G's first game in charge of the claret and blue!
Brighton are a tough opponent and a good first test for him. Players are back from injury though and if we do have aspirations of a top 10 finish, we need to be winning games like this at home!
Cant wait to get back to Villa park - a few new songs/ amendments that ive no idea how they will turn out!
Looking forward to Stevie G's first game in charge of the claret and blue!
Brighton are a tough opponent and a good first test for him. Players are back from injury though and if we do have aspirations of a top 10 finish, we need to be winning games like this at home!
Cant wait to get back to Villa park - a few new songs/ amendments that ive no idea how they will turn out!
Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
Are you expecting Gerrard to do well at Villa? Strikes me as a very tough gig this season. Villa overperformed last season, and this is a bit of a transitional year having sold Grealish. What would be a good outcome? 12th or so? Something to build on next season? Or do you think top 10 is realistic?
As a Canary, I'm very pleased we've appointed Smith, I'd much rather have him than Gerrard, but I can see why a change might have been needed at Villa.
Leftitshort
Well-known member
???explain to me how you legislate against calling the French ‘cheese eating surrender monkeys’
It may not be true, or even funny, but ban it ???
nickjdavis
Head Pro
I don't think anyone has said that they shouldn't be allowed to enter the qualifying stages.
I personally think that Cricket got it right at the T20 world cup recently where they effectively had a pre-qualifying tournament where all of the "lesser ranked" nations played each other and two teams qualified for the actual "main event proper".
Put the likes of Liechtenstein, San Marino, Andorra etc etc in a couple of groups together, let them fight it out and give one qualifying place to the World Cup proper for the eventual winners. The current system means that none of them will ever qualify for the World Cup, none of them will ever experience it. Is that good? Put a system in place where one of the teams will definitely qualify and it might do them a whole lot more good.
Ultimately the current seeded qualifying system is biased to make sure (with obviously a couple of notable exceptions) that the top teams always qualify outright...when the draw is made you pretty much know which 2 or 3 teams will fill the top 3 places. I'd like to see the seedings disappear and for the groups to be drawn on a totally random basis. Of course it will never happen...would be akin to Turkeys voting for Christmas....but it would be a damned sight more competitive rather than just focusing on two games against Poland as key to our hopes of qualification.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
I think we achieved a lower league position last year than we should have - we were in flying form and then lost JG for 12 games - winning only 1 of them... Had he stayed fit, we might have finished as high as 7th.
Serious investment has been made in our squad since our promotion. We are the third highest net spenders in the prem since we came up - our owners have serious ambition of getting us back into european football.
Before the start of this season myself and a few mates that go home and away all agreed that finishing 11th again this year represents progress having lost JG in the summer and rebuilding without him was always going to take time. So realistically - that should be the goal for the year.
What do I expect from Gerrard? Not really sure. No question that he needs to be successful with Villa to get where he wants to in the future - he installed a great style of football at Rangers and he plans to do the same at Villa. He just might not have all the players yet.
With another window coming soon, honestly success this year is mid table I think. We have a very capable premier league squad of players. Anything better than that is a bonus. Id then expect improvement year upon year. I know leicester won the league - but theyre not as big as villa as a club and we should have aspirations of over taking them at some stage in the next 5 years. Same goes for Everton, Spurs etc.
Smith was a great manager for us. Not a bad word to say about the man. I wish you all the best with him going forward - he will play attractive football and youll be entertained. He improved pretty much every player that he worked with at Villa - and he found a system that got the most out of JG and all his talent, which some managers would and do struggle to do (Gareth...).
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As you can see from the bit in bold, the very first post on this suggested they shouldn’t be allowed to play in WC qualifying.
You yourself agreed they wouldn’t develop as a team by playing bigger Nations and now you are suggesting them and teams of a similar standard play each other and are then given preferential treatment to get the WC Finals! Who misses out?
I agree the current system is flawed, but changing it so these Teams are handed a place is also wrong imo.
