The Footie Thread

[clubchamp98]

But Alisson jumped into the back of Agbonna, Agbonna didn’t raise his arms to obstruct anyone it was a natural leap to head the ball, surely you understand using your arms as leverage to jump up?

Really you raise your arms for leverage once your in the air your arms come down that’s where the elbow fouls are most common.
I have never seen anyone jump with their arm up like the Statue of Liberty you don’t get any leverage from that.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Really you raise your arms for leverage once your in the air your arms come down that’s where the elbow fouls are most common.
I have never seen anyone jump with their arm up like the Statue of Liberty you don’t get any leverage from that.

Here’s a link with the goal and VAR, as you will see Agbonna was on his way up when Alisson tried to get through.

The West Ham tactic was to have Antonio district the keeper to give Agbonna a free jump, it worked, Alisson jumped into his back.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457750235380334595

 

[clubchamp98]

He dived LP. It's not poor, it's cheating. He dived and he cheated. Can you really not bring yourself to admit that one of your players dived? That's four or five posts since it happened where you've used mealy mouthed words to avoid using the word dive or cheat.

Yes it’s a dive.
Can’t see why anyone is suprized he does have a reputation but he’s not alone.
Maybe VAR needs to make itself useful and tell the ref he has made a clear and obvious error.
Then book them.

 

[Fade and Die]

Not sure what the Carragher reference is about - as I said there are plenty of pics around showing the contact and it’s one you have seen given before plenty of times. If it’s not deemed a foul then I hope it’s consistent now



VAR not giving doesn’t mean it still wasn’t a red card - Cresswell went in strong went over the ball and straight onto Henderson knee - thankfully the standing leg wasn’t set or it could have been a serious injury - if it’s Henderson on Cresswell and a red is given there would have been no complaints at all



It is very sneaky - the only thing that’s impossible to judge is intent - if they give that as a red then it wouldn’t be overturned

I’m amazed that the referee wasn’t asked to go to the monitor both times to check



When it happened it looked like Rice had come across him and caught Salah - on the replay Salah has clearly gone down expecting the touch - it’s poor


The referee was shocking , Atwell was as well - but on balance of play the result was right

Must be something wrong with your telly, Creswell clearly didn’t go over the ball straight into Henderson’s knee otherwise he would have been seriously hurt…..it was a glancing blow via the ball. That’s why it was not given a red, ref thought so and VAR confirmed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Must be something wrong with your telly, Creswell clearly didn’t go over the ball straight into Henderson’s knee otherwise he would have been seriously hurt…..it was a glancing blow via the ball. That’s why it was not given a red, ref thought so and VAR confirmed.

He did go over the ball and his studs ended up on Henderson’s knee.

The day the ref gets every decision right is the day the “ref didn’t give it” can be used as a defence.

If that tackle happened on a West Ham player I very much doubt you wouldn’t be asking for a red card.

 

[2blue]

Calmed down a bit now from the win.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1457640180391813121

- Jota above.

At the time I think there was only me & Paul who saw the malice in his deliberate jump into Ogboona.... the guy needed stitches & was off. I was amazed it was just brushed off as a coming together.

 

[Fade and Die]

He did go over the ball and his studs ended up on Henderson’s knee.

The day the ref gets every decision right is the day the “ref didn’t give it” can be used as a defence.

If that tackle happened on a West Ham player I very much doubt you wouldn’t be asking for a red card.

I posted this morning after I had seen MOTD that if he had been given a red I would have not complained. It’s one of them ones where I can see it from both sides. Something you obviously can’t.

 

[clubchamp98]

Here’s a link with the goal and VAR, as you will see Agbonna was on his way up when Alisson tried to get through.

The West Ham tactic was to have Antonio district the keeper to give Agbonna a free jump, it worked, Alisson jumped into his back.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457750235380334595

Ogbonna takes two steps forward then one back as he jumps ,with his arm up in the air he’s pulling his elbow down .
If that’s a defender and not the keeper he elbows him in the face.
So I still think it’s a foul as he’s elbowed the keepers arm.
We will just have to disagree .
Alisson is late getting there because of Antonio that was a mistake not getting a defender to help him.

 

[clubchamp98]

Must be something wrong with your telly, Creswell clearly didn’t go over the ball straight into Henderson’s knee otherwise he would have been seriously hurt…..it was a glancing blow via the ball. That’s why it was not given a red, ref thought so and VAR confirmed.

That’s a shocking tackle no other words for it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

At the time I think there was only me & Paul who saw the malice in his deliberate jump into Ogboona.... the guy needed stitches & was off. I was amazed it was just brushed off as a coming together.

actually Paul was talking about the elbow being the issue - you were just dribbling on about the jumping up and turning his back which there is no issue at all. The injury was caused by the elbow not the jump

 

[Fade and Die]

That’s a shocking tackle no other words for it.

There are a few other words for it actually. Accidental, over-hyped and borderline are a few that others are using.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

In a statement released to Sky Sports after the game, Attwell’s reasoning for not punishing Cresswell for his challenge was because it ‘didn’t have the required force or intensity or clear contact’.

And there we have it. Reason why real time is import part of the process .. slowing down makes things look worse

Lucky it didn't stop Henderson running up to the refs face moaning the rest of the game

 

[Swango1980]

Really you raise your arms for leverage once your in the air your arms come down that’s where the elbow fouls are most common.
I have never seen anyone jump with their arm up like the Statue of Liberty you don’t get any leverage from that.

Maybe I am confusing what you are saying, but that last sentence seems odd.

Have you ever watched the High Jump event at the Olympics?

 

[clubchamp98]

There are a few other words for it actually. Accidental, over-hyped and borderline are a few that others are using.

No it was a shocker that is rightly banned from the game now.
He was just lucky he didn’t hurt Henderson.
He’s off the ground and out of control.
Nearly all of them have been red this season the ref bottled it.

 

[Fade and Die]

How bi-polar is Klopp? Before the game he gave this really good interview where he says some great stuff about West Ham and Moyes…….

https://www.hammers.news/news/jurge...tribute-to-west-ham-ahead-of-liverpool-clash/

Gets beat and it’s all snidey comments and stupid answers in interviews!

What a “Character”???

 

[Fade and Die]

No it was a shocker that is rightly banned from the game now.
He was just lucky he didn’t hurt Henderson.
He’s off the ground and out of control.
Nearly all of them have been red this season the ref bottled it.

Did you see his boot cannon off the ball onto hendos knee? (Proving he actually went for the ball) No? Well VAR did.

 

[clubchamp98]

Maybe I am confusing what you are saying, but that last sentence seems odd.

Have you ever watched the High Jump event at the Olympics?

Yes I have .
The leverage comes from pulling your arms down, that’s why it’s dangerous
However Og is not trying to jump over the keeper

 

[2blue]

actually Paul was talking about the elbow being the issue - you were just dribbling on about the jumping up and turning his back which there is no issue at all. The injury was caused by the elbow not the jump

You obviously haven't realized that without the jump then there could have been no elbow..... I guess you don't get that jumping into people in hockey.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Wonder if Liverpool will ever lose a game & not have all this drama afterwards ?‍

•Keeper had a nightmare
•midfield was weak & over run
•opposition manager did a job on you
•ref didn’t favour you like previous games

??????

 

[clubchamp98]

Did you see his boot cannon off the ball onto hendos knee? (Proving he actually went for the ball) No? Well VAR did.

Getting the ball dosnt count now.
Watch the Holgate one for Everton ,he cleared the ball 60 yds but got a red for the follow through