fundy
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oh ffs, i thought friday night was bad, then on monday morning we give xhaka a new contract
whos running the asylum ??????
whos running the asylum ??????
Canary_Yellow
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That's a huge exaggeration. There was nothing dangerous about the tackle, it was a simple trip and a bog standard yellow card. If it were dangerous of course its red.
Actually, the teams at the top of the league are the ones that are the best at cynical midfield fouls to stop the opposition getting forward / break momentum. Milner was guilty of an equally cynical foul in the first half and duly collected his well earned yellow card.
Orikoru
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In a world where those are reds, every game finishes 8 a side.
harpo_72
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Rumour is arteta is out and Conte could be his replacement.. but who wants the job in reality??
Side lining players is a poor strategy you need to put them in the shop window and flog them …
Side lining players is a poor strategy you need to put them in the shop window and flog them …
clubchamp98
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Well I tottaly disagree.
One of them ended my football career.
Ask Gomez of Everton if he thinks Sons tackle was a simple trip.
Never saw the Liverpool game but if it was the same then he should get red.
clubchamp98
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If they got a red they would stop doing it!In a world where those are reds, every game finishes 8 a side.
Orikoru
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They wouldn't though. Sometimes it's an instinct thing when you're beaten that you just flick a toe out and trip them. You can't be sending people off for it.
Canary_Yellow
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How can you disagree without having seen the incident?!
The Son tackle wasn't really a trip, there was more force applied, but it was still incredibly unlucky to have the consequences that it did. Really, what he did was a yellow card offence (hence why the red was over turned). In any case, Cantwell trips Jota, he doesn't hack him down, it just wasn't dangerous. Cynical? Absolutely, but that's a big part of the modern game and Klopp and Guardiola's sides are the best at it.
I don't like that part of the game, but i don't see how it's possible to introduce tougher punishments.
When flying elbows started getting red cards there were queues of retired strikers lining up to tell us how it ws impossible to jump without swinging your arms. A few red cards later and players adapated. The odd one slips through now and again and they get a straight red with no moans. Players learn or get left behind. It would be the same with this.They wouldn't though. Sometimes it's an instinct thing when you're beaten that you just flick a toe out and trip them. You can't be sending people off for it.
clubchamp98
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I said “IF” it was the same?
Seen the highlights only they never showed the Milner one.
Sorry but I disagree.
It’s easy to change the rules for what Cantwell did that’s just not a trip.
GreiginFife
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Only plausible theory is that Granit and Stan showed up at the same dogging party and they didn't take Xhaka's phone off him...
clubchamp98
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Cantwell chased him for 20yds that’s not just flicking a toe out.They wouldn't though. Sometimes it's an instinct thing when you're beaten that you just flick a toe out and trip them. You can't be sending people off for it.
He hacked him down from behind that’s dangerous imo.
Orikoru
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It's dangerous if he went through his ankle. If he just trips him, not anymore dangerous than a slide tackle where you win the ball and subsequently trip the player. It's a contact sport. Players can expect to hit the deck every now and then.
Canary_Yellow
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Correct. He slides along the floor and then taps Jota's ankle to trip him up, there's no danger at all, other than the danger that simply exists from playing a contact sport and cannot be eliminated.
I can't find it in the highlights, please could you share the link? What you're describing (other than him chasing) isn't what I recall.
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harpo_72
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Similar happened to me I packed in football shortly after I was chopped down. Ankle was damaged and has been niggly ever since, so took up hockey instead. However the chopper was let off by the ref but school playground saw the fella being kicked, elbowed and my particular favourites are the full blast volleys at head and jewels … all within the rules but ungentlemanly but neither is chopping someone down.
After the Saka foul , we were too polite.
clubchamp98
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The difference for me is most tackles including sliding tackles are from opponents that you can see as you are running at them.
Ones like Cantwell and Son is a tackle from behind that your not really expecting ,that catches you by surprise .
They are dangerous and imo should be red.
Other opinions are avaliable that’s fair enough.
clubchamp98
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It was on Mach of the day!
Jota went past him he chased him and hacked him down from behind absolutely no attempt for the ball.
Imo that’s red ,you don’t agree that’s fine.
Orikoru
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I haven't seen it either, it's not on Twitter and I can't be bothered to flick through an hour of match of the day to find it - so I can't argue too vociferously anyway. What you've just said is a red if the recipient was through on goal (professional foul). Otherwise, there is a certain about of contact and rough and tumble expected.
Think about it another way, the officials would have to somehow rule on the player's intent. There would be a lot of grey areas where you don't know if he deliberately tripped him or was just very late with the tackle.
clubchamp98
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I think there is no dought he tripped him.
There were covering defenders. So absolutely not necessary either.
Jota went past Cantwell he chased him and brought him down from behind , absolutely no attempt for the ball.
I hate these kind of tackles , just brushed off by some as part of the game it’s reckless and is going to hurt someone and end their career .
Let’s not forget if you score a goal and remove your shirt it’s yellow.
But chop someone down from behind no attempt for the ball and it’s the same punishment.
Canary_Yellow
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It's at 30:15 https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ywfh/match-of-the-day-202122-14082021
He slides in and trips him. There's no excessive force or endangering of Jota, it's a clear foul of course, but under the rules as they stand I can't see how it's anything other than a bog standard yellow.
The laws of football are very clear that it's not a red card unless it involves excessive force or endangers an opponent, are you suggesting it falls in that category? Or that there should be a change in the rules such that there is a new red card offence?
I think either the rule has to be if there's no attempt to play the ball it's a red, or it's left as it is. Otherwise shirt pulling, which is every bit as cynical, and other minor trips where there is no attempt to play the ball, which are the same offence, would not be punished in the same way. I'm all in favour of removing cynical fouls from the game, but I don't really see how it's possible.
