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4LEX said:
I get that but the fact is since 2018 you've not bought a really big name player. You say Klopp isn't about big names but Allison and VVD made the difference. Both big names and huge transfer fees.

I think both strikers would fit and be a huge improvement. Lukaku isn't a targetman and plays better with balls infront, ideal with your full backs and inverted wingers cutting in playing balls into the channel. Kane isn't a number 9 either, he's basically a cross between Firmino and Lukaku. Better at linking play, faster, stronger, better finisher and can head. The owners have tied Klopps hands and stopped the money coming in.

With no injuries and everything going well you can definitelty win the title or the CL. My argument is with more investment you'd be a better bet.

I think Utd have a better defence, midfield again too. Although slightly unbalanced given Pogba and Bruno with no DM. I think a lot of people will be shocked at how good Sancho is. Rashford has been injured for 2 years and still delivering better stats than Sane on the left (last season). Back fit after the op and it's a game changer. Utd's main weakness is upfront - relying on a near 35 year old to lead the line and back up who isn't good enough. I'd put Liverpool above Utd due to the manager quality though.
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Thiago is a big name player ?‍♂️ We got him at a good price because his contract was running out

And the owners don’t ever supply money to the manager to spend - the club works within a self sufficient model , it spends what it makes , the owner hasn’t put money into the club for buying players and won’t ever do

Right now the club aren’t spending due to squad limits

Last year we lost 3 CBs through season ending injuries and still had a better defensive record than UTD - that was with CB’s like Phillips and Williams playing.

Pogba has not proved himself on any consistent basis throughout his time at UTD - he is a luxury player who doesn’t do enough to justify it

Rashford vs Mane - mane last season had his worst season for his and lost form but again still wasn’t too far behind Rashford

https://www.fctables.com/sadio_mane-vs-marcus_rashford-308503-277575/

Sancho is a very good player and did well for Dortmund- he now needs to do it regularly in the Prem
 
4LEX said:
I get that but the fact is since 2018 you've not bought a really big name player. You say Klopp isn't about big names but Allison and VVD made the difference. Both big names and huge transfer fees.

I think both strikers would fit and be a huge improvement. Lukaku isn't a targetman and plays better with balls infront, ideal with your full backs and inverted wingers cutting in playing balls into the channel. Kane isn't a number 9 either, he's basically a cross between Firmino and Lukaku. Better at linking play, faster, stronger, better finisher and can head. The owners have tied Klopps hands and stopped the money coming in.

With no injuries and everything going well you can definitelty win the title or the CL. My argument is with more investment you'd be a better bet.

I think Utd have a better defence, midfield again too. Although slightly unbalanced given Pogba and Bruno with no DM. I think a lot of people will be shocked at how good Sancho is. Rashford has been injured for 2 years and still delivering better stats than Sane on the left (last season). Back fit after the op and it's a game changer. Utd's main weakness is upfront - relying on a near 35 year old to lead the line and back up who isn't good enough. I'd put Liverpool above Utd due to the manager quality though.
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I agree with the striker .
We wrre very predictable last season.
But hard to judge a team with so many players missing for most of it.
When all the lads are on form they are great but we still need an alternative to change things but we havnt got one.
Kane would be a world beater in Liverpool imo. He can finish Firmino can’t.
As long as he dosnt play like he did in the Euros.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Thiago is a big name player ?‍♂️ We got him at a good price because his contract was running out

And the owners don’t ever supply money to the manager to spend - the club works within a self sufficient model , it spends what it makes , the owner hasn’t put money into the club for buying players and won’t ever do

Right now the club aren’t spending due to squad limits

Last year we lost 3 CBs through season ending injuries and still had a better defensive record than UTD - that was with CB’s like Phillips and Williams playing.

Pogba has not proved himself on any consistent basis throughout his time at UTD - he is a luxury player who doesn’t do enough to justify it

Rashford vs Mane - mane last season had his worst season for his and lost form but again still wasn’t too far behind Rashford

https://www.fctables.com/sadio_mane-vs-marcus_rashford-308503-277575/

Sancho is a very good player and did well for Dortmund- he now needs to do it regularly in the Prem
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Pogba is a clown who will run his contract down and cause a lot of trouble but he's one of the best midfielders on his day. I think he'll play for a big move and have a good season.

Rashford is 6 years younger, was injured and had a bad season too yet was way more effective. Criminally underrated.

Sancho will be unstoppable.
 
Orikoru said:
So I ruled in favour of Liverpool but that wasn't good enough for you, you literally picked apart all my Man Utd picks. :ROFLMAO: Classic.

Before the Euros I'd have said Robertson, but Shaw was so good there he went up in my estimation. I still think Cavani is world class because of his movement and a better player than Firmino.
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Point Phil towards last year’s league table if you’re having trouble.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And the owners don’t ever supply money to the manager to spend - the club works within a self sufficient model , it spends what it makes , the owner hasn’t put money into the club for buying players and won’t ever do
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Profit 2019 = £42m
Loss 2020 = £49m

2021, estimated at a loss of £139m.

The current club debt is estimated at over £300m.

Further, the club isn’t self-sufficient, needing a large, secured loan from FSG in the last financial year. The interest rate being 1.21%. £71m of which has been paid back already.

Definitely not self-sufficient but in terms of their financial stability, only Chelsea is anywhere near as good. Arsenal being the poorest (financial) performer and Spurs not far behind.
 
Kellfire said:
Point Phil towards last year’s league table if you’re having trouble.
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Do you mean when we had unprecedented levels of injuries losing 3 CBs for the season ( still having a better defensive record than UTD ) - 5 Centre mids and a number of forwards out for significant periods and yet UTD only ended up 5 points ahead ?‍♂️

Maybe the better judge is when the main players are fit so the previous two seasons when UTD were 31 and 33 points behind a Liverpool team that didn’t suffer that level of injuries
 
Hobbit said:
Profit 2019 = £42m
Loss 2020 = £49m

2021, estimated at a loss of £139m.

The current club debt is estimated at over £300m.

Further, the club isn’t self-sufficient, needing a large, secured loan from FSG in the last financial year. The interest rate being 1.21%. £71m of which has been paid back already.
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Do you mean the loan to fund the building of the main stand ?‍♂️

Or the credit facility that was taken out over Covid to help pay bills during the Covid break which a large chunk of it paid back

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....s/fsg-truth-liverpools-238m-debt-20485647.amp

The interest rates are being paid on the credit facility

The £110mil loan from FSG to rebuild the main stand the interest rate is being paid by FSG which the loan being taken out in the US against them
Definitely not self-sufficient but in terms of their financial stability, only Chelsea is anywhere near as good. Arsenal being the poorest (financial) performer and Spurs not far behind.
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And they are self sufficient in terms of using the clubs income to finance any outgoings in regards wages , transfer etc - they don’t use loans or owners funding to buy players
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do you mean when we had unprecedented levels of injuries losing 3 CBs for the season ( still having a better defensive record than UTD ) - 5 Centre mids and a number of forwards out for significant periods and yet UTD only ended up 5 points ahead ?‍♂️

Maybe the better judge is when the main players are fit so the previous two seasons when UTD were 31 and 33 points behind a Liverpool team that didn’t suffer that level of injuries
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We had one good player last season and you didn’t rate him. So even with those injuries you’re better, surely?
 
Kellfire said:
We had one good player last season and you didn’t rate him. So even with those injuries you’re better, surely?
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Fernandes is a good player - I just wouldn’t have him in our starting 11 if all are fit with the tactics the manager employs - he certainly takes a great pen but I don’t know if he has done enough in the big game
 
I keep hearing the excuse about Liverpool’s injuries,but it’s not like they were leaking goals,lots of missed chances in front of goal was also the problem ?‍♂️
 
fundy said:
no your post was that you think hes not good enough for liverpools midfield, its as valid as me saying kane isnt good enough to play up front for us :)
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i said he is a good player but don’t think he would fit in with the tactics our manager employs and think he hasn’t done it in the big games - the stats aren’t great reading for his games against any of the “big 6” ( one penalty when they lost 6-1 )
 
Liverpoolphil said:
i said he is a good player but don’t think he would fit in with the tactics our manager employs and think he hasn’t done it in the big games - the stats aren’t great reading for his games against any of the “big 6” ( one penalty when they lost 6-1 )
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talk me through the 3 you have whose stats are better....................
 
fundy said:
talk me through the 3 you have whose stats are better....................
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Didn’t say we had three whose stats are better ?‍♂️

As I said in the tactics the manager employs our main midfield will be Fabinho , Henderson and Thiago - that’s the first choice three , he doesn’t set up for the “number 10” - That Fernandes plays as .
I don’t Fernandes as a player that good the manager would change his style of play to fit in
 
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