The Footie Thread

[chrisd]

Haven't had much confidence in England since the golden generation, but at least we've reached the semi's this time.
Looking back over the managers, we've had Swedes, turnips, Italians, con men and fraudsters.
Only winner was Ramsay but he referred to the Argentine's as animals in those NPC days.
Southgate does appear to be a bit different.
Predict England win by one goal on the basis of more fire power.

I'd like to point out that Ramsay wasn't well liked either, especially by the players who didn't make the team. Argentina would have had ALL of their players sent off in "that" game as far as I recall if todays rules existed then, they were absolute animals.

 

[Sats]

The game the other day showed that we can play with panache, control and not just grind out 1-0 wins. A pleasure to watch, well done boys. Saying that I'd like Kyle Walker to tighten up as he was sloppy at times.

 

[Orikoru]

The game the other day showed that we can play with panache, control and not just grind out 1-0 wins. A pleasure to watch, well done boys. Saying that I'd like Kyle Walker to tighten up as he was sloppy at times.

I think Trippier is the better right back now, but knowing how Southgate has been approaching things, I wouldn't be surprised if Walker got the nod because of Zinchenko drifting out to that side and Walker knowing him from training.

 

[Billysboots]

And how many years do we keep watching the same boring football, bar the odd match, if we don’t win anything?

Ask Utd fans if they were happy to keep Jose as he was winning stuff!

You took the words right out of my mouth.

We had two managers back to back at United who, despite being proven winners, just didn’t understand what the fans wanted. The football played under LVG was absolutely turgid, and reached the point where I actually stopped going to games. When he got the boot and Mourinho arrived my heart sank even lower.

I would genuinely rather watch my club lose 1-0 playing attractive, attacking football that grinding out dismal 1-0 wins. Seriously. I pay to be entertained.

With tournament football I do get it’s not that simple. In the main, as most of you already know, England leave me stone cold. But, if they can have the odd fifteen minutes here and there where the flair players get me on the edge of my seat, before they then go all “Southgate” on me again, and win the Euros in that fashion, I may look back on this tournament with a smile on my face.

 

[clubchamp98]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

We had two managers back to back at United who, despite being proven winners, just didn’t understand what the fans wanted. The football played under LVG was absolutely turgid, and reached the point where I actually stopped going to games. When he got the boot and Mourinho arrived my heart sank even lower.

I would genuinely rather watch my club lose 1-0 playing attractive, attacking football that grinding out dismal 1-0 wins. Seriously. I pay to be entertained.

With tournament football I do get it’s not that simple. In the main, as most of you already know, England leave me stone cold. But, if they can have the odd fifteen minutes here and there where the flair players get me on the edge of my seat, before they then go all “Southgate” on me again, and win the Euros in that fashion, I may look back on this tournament with a smile on my face.

Yes modern football is not a patch on years ago imo.
Now if you watch a game the two CBS are the main players and have more of the ball than anybody.
Ball retention at all costs even from forwards who are on the last defender turn around and back or square ball.
The odd patch of brilliance is good but most modern football is boring.

 

[BubbaP]

[Unqualified armchair punditry alert]
From memory have all of England's open play goals come from the left? I wouldn't be surprised if Denmark aim to put things in place to stem that - thought Germany did a decent job of that first half but couldn't keep it up (thankfully ?). Whilst it was great watching Saka & Sancho I suspect we may need a few more goal chances to come from the right.
I've not seen all their games, but I think I heard it commented that they are one of the few teams to majority attack down the sides, so may be a different test at the back also.

 

[harpo_72]

[Unqualified armchair punditry alert]
From memory have all of England's open play goals come from the left? I wouldn't be surprised if Denmark aim to put things in place to stem that - thought Germany did a decent job of that first half but couldn't keep it up (thankfully ?). Whilst it was great watching Saka & Sancho I suspect we may need a few more goal chances to come from the right.
I've not seen all their games, but I think I heard it commented that they are one of the few teams to majority attack down the sides, so may be a different test at the back also.

But Sterling and Sancho were swapping sides, like the previous game with Sterling and Saka swapping… unless it’s Shaw .. then we need to look at Walker ? Or could you say we exploited a weak opposition right side ?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Yes modern football is not a patch on years ago imo.
Now if you watch a game the two CBS are the main players and have more of the ball than anybody.
Ball retention at all costs even from forwards who are on the last defender turn around and back or square ball.
The odd patch of brilliance is good but most modern football is boring.

Nothing quit like good old lump it forward to the big lad up front.

The general standard of football is much higher now. Players are technically more capable. Players are faster and fitter than they have ever been.

It is very hard now to stand out as an exceptional player than at any other time.

How well do you think the 92/93 Manchester United team would fare in the current Premier League?
We actually had a discussion about this in the pub a couple of weeks ago.
More of us than not, thought they would likely be in a relegation battle.

 

[Kellfire]

Nothing quit like good old lump it forward to the big lad up front.

The general standard of football is much higher now. Players are technically more capable. Players are faster and fitter than they have ever been.

It is very hard now to stand out as an exceptional player than at any other time.

How well do you think the 92/93 Manchester United team would fare in the current Premier League?
We actually had a discussion about this in the pub a couple of weeks ago.
More of us than not, thought they would likely be in a relegation battle.

Cantona would get us top four on his own.

 

[Kellfire]

On a serious note though, it’s only nostalgia that makes people think of the exciting times of older football the same way nostalgia works that way for everything.

The 90s premier league era was slow paced rough housing a lot of the time for even the best teams in the league. No one remembers the boring draws with two so called top teams barely able to trap a pass on a mud bath pitch.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Cantona would get us top four on his own.

He'd be suspended for most of the season.

 

[BubbaP]

But Sterling and Sancho were swapping sides, like the previous game with Sterling and Saka swapping… unless it’s Shaw .. then we need to look at Walker ? Or could you say we exploited a weak opposition right side ?

I spotted the switch in the last 10 mins of 1st half against Ukraine. I don't have the answers ? just rambling on the forum ?

 

[Billysboots]

Yes modern football is not a patch on years ago imo.
Now if you watch a game the two CBS are the main players and have more of the ball than anybody.
Ball retention at all costs even from forwards who are on the last defender turn around and back or square ball.
The odd patch of brilliance is good but most modern football is boring.

And for all the plaudits, Pep is largely to blame for the possession based football we’re now so accustomed to.

 

[clubchamp98]

Nothing quit like good old lump it forward to the big lad up front.

The general standard of football is much higher now. Players are technically more capable. Players are faster and fitter than they have ever been.

It is very hard now to stand out as an exceptional player than at any other time.

How well do you think the 92/93 Manchester United team would fare in the current Premier League?
We actually had a discussion about this in the pub a couple of weeks ago.
More of us than not, thought they would likely be in a relegation battle.

I was thinking it was the midfield general that ran the game not the CBs.
If the team of 92 could tackle like they did then they would have no problems with the screaming Jessie’s of today.
Lumping it is just as bad as the CBS having it all the time.

 

[harpo_72]

I spotted the switch in the last 10 mins of 1st half against Ukraine. I don't have the answers ? just rambling on the forum ?

Yeah it’s interesting though

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I was thinking it was the midfield general that ran the game not the CBs.
If the team of 92 could tackle like they did then they would have no problems with the screaming Jessie’s of today.
Lumping it is just as bad as the CBS having it all the time.

Even if they could tackle like they did. They would be too slow and knackered to get anywhere near.

 

[BubbaP]

Yeah it’s interesting though

I'd forgotten the recent record hasn't been good. Not sure if it gives any clues to Wednesday selection/formation though.
I think Saka may receive the nod.

 

[clubchamp98]

Even if they could tackle like they did. They would be too slow and knackered to get anywhere near.

Possibly but a tackle from Souness or Keane slowed a few players down.
They might be faster and fitter but it dosnt make them better players imo.
Quite the opposite I think.
Nobody in the modern PL can hold a candle to Kenny Dalglish.
But it’s impossible to ever find out.

 

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