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The Footie Thread

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Stuart_C said:
Are you sure??

Racists teaching there kids about racism??

This is already happening and is why the problem still exists. Racism, Bigotry, homophobic is all taught at home.

I'm a great believer that children are only a reflection of the parents, generally.
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I don’t think it should be left to just schools, parents have an important role in educating there children.
 
Tashyboy said:
When me and Missis T adopted, our first appointment was with a Black female social worker. She went through all the topics we will go through to be accepted to adopt. Cultures, race, religion, sexuality etc etc. It was all about understanding and acceptance of others. She asked me if I had any Black friends. I told her i Had a few coloured friends but there were not many coloureds that worked in the pit. You are talking 25 years ago. She was not happy and went onto say she is Black and proud. I mentioned that she meant Black, I meant everyone that is not white. People from all over the world. She was having none of it. I asked a Black friend the following weekend re is he Black or coloured and what’s the difference. He said to him there is no difference, to others it means a lot. He said it’s how it is said that he knows if folk are being ignorant/ rascist or not.
Now that adoption course took four years to complete. During the first meeting with the social worker she went onto explain about black people there culture and food. She mentioned they eat chicken, rice and peas. By the end of the course we were told we were not to mention black people eat chicken, rice and peas as it “ type casts” people. What was acceptable and what was not changed over the course of four years. It was frustratin.
For me there is racism in this country, but there is also, sexism, nepotism, Gay bashing ( why can people still in 2020 not come out as gay for fear of abuse) Etc etc. The list is long with what is wrong in this and other countries. Because a person may not know the correct terminology I don’t think it don’t makes them rascist. Anywhere in between naive to ignorant to rascist yes. But as I have said, this problem will not be solved by taking a knee, it will highlight them problem. But for me Racism and other problems in this country should be taught at school and especially at home.
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I don’t disagree Tash, it’s a very dificult subject, especially if you are white and know no difference.

I was an EO, E&D Advisor for nearly 20yrs and struggled at times to understand some of the complaints across the spectrum, but it soon became clear that if you are unsure, say nothing or at the very least ask the person.

Of course we have racists we always will, but ignorance is no excuse, it’s about knowing your audience.

If you ever get the chance to meet @Hobbit ask him for his experiences.
 
pauldj42 said:
I don’t disagree Tash, it’s a very dificult subject, especially if you are white and know no difference.

I was an EO, E&D Advisor for nearly 20yrs and struggled at times to understand some of the complaints across the spectrum, but it soon became clear that if you are unsure, say nothing or at the very least ask the person.

Of course we have racists we always will, but ignorance is no excuse, it’s about knowing your audience.

If you ever get the chance to meet @Hobbit ask him for his experiences.
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Like I mentioned I never knew many Black lads at the pit, until I worked at my last one. Two lads I became great friends with.
One, I went to a Christmas do the first year I started at the pit. His Missis said to me “ you don’t recognise me do you Tash”. I honestly didn’t. Turns out I went out on a couple of dates with her around the exact same time I met Missis T. I dumped her for Missis T. His face was a picture when she told him and we still laugh about it. His only problem is, he is a Utd season ticket holder. Joking aside we have spent hours talking about football.
Second lad he is half Jamaican and his mother white, he is also gay. The abuse he suffered at the pit was unreal. Don’t get me wrong he gave it back. I worked on the same shift as him for 8-9 years and we spoke daily. He more than anyone I know educated me more re rascism and gay abuse. Don’t get me wrong I sowed seeds ( not sown me seed ?) with him. We kinda bounced off one another. His experiences whilst on Holiday in Jamaica has stopped him from ever going back.
 
Tashyboy said:
I don’t think it should be left to just schools, parents have an important role in educating there children.
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You've got a point, its not just upto schools to teach but i think you missed the point Tashy.

If I'm of racist/homophobic persuasion and I call xxxx person xxxxxx around my home and children they will only repeat it or think its acceptable to do so.

Until parents take responsibility it'll continue.
 
Stuart_C said:
You've got a point, its not just upto schools to teach but i think you missed the point Tashy.

If I'm of racist/homophobic persuasion and I call xxxx person xxxxxx around my home and children they will only repeat it or think its acceptable to do so.

Until parents take responsibility it'll continue.
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No I picked up what you meant Stu, and am sure there are still plenty of Alf Garnetts walking about educating folk ?. When we had the kids through the lockdown Missis T was headmistress, she/ we spent hours schooling them. When we returned the kids back to school the teachers made a point of mentioning only a handful did there home schoolwork. Some parents were just not bothered ( not my words). Unfortunately some of these parents teach there kids to follow Utd as well. Poor kids are gonna be scared for life. Notice how I got the topic back onto football??
Stay safe Stu.
 
I’m even more confused by VAR now ?! He was offside yet they reviewed for a penalty ?‍♂️

Seems they don’t show the offside and they made the right call ?
 
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8 mins extra time - mainly because of VAR delays

I guess that hit Manes arm but looked like the oppo ?!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I’m even more confused by VAR now ?! He was offside yet they reviewed for a penalty ?‍♂️

Seems they don’t show the offside and they made the right call ?
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Very selective picture to show he was onside.
Took them a very long time so couldn’t have been that close.

Some strange reffing decisions ,obvious fouls just ignored on both sides.
Yet really trivial things he blows up.
 
IainP said:
Whilst it would be against instincts, if the goalkeeper had just left it to go in would the goal have not stood?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/55239103
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Correct, you can't score directly from a throw. However, there are still guys running in at the back post to attack so maybe it would have been bundled in off one of them anyway. There was some pace on that throw! Impressive. I can't see one of them without remembering that Iranian player who totally buggered it up at the World Cup though. :LOL: What a knob!
 
not quite sure how Gladbach have qualified there lol, got well beat by Madrid which meant whoever won out of Inter and Salzburg went through with Madrid. Salzburg seemed happy enough to go to the Europa and Inter just couldnt score, the 0-0 draw meant Gladbach went thru
 
Old Skier said:
That’s progress, once we had to say coloured, then it went to black/white now it’s gone to ?
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Just anything else. 4th from the left, long hair, short hair, one with the training bib on, hands in his pockets. There will always be another option.

The 4th official was incredibly clumsy to pick out a player by skin colour, I hope I am being kind there.
 
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