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The Footie Thread

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Now the're playing under different rules, hits maguires arm and........nothing. it shouldnt be disallowed for minor unintentional arm contact, but its 100% always given now, except on this occasion.
 
Kellfire said:
So by all accounts it seems the fourth official referred to the assistant manager as “the black one” which isn’t inherently racist but what a stupid thing to do.
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Context is everything though. If he's been ask who to show the card to and simply said it's the black man, I think it's ok. Assuming there was only one black man in the vicinity. If he's said "I dunno, just book the black guy" then that's racist. Or if he's fuming going 'book that black guy!" then probably racist as well.

Yeah he possibly should avoided the issue by simply walking over and indicating which man it was from close distance.
 
Orikoru said:
Context is everything though. If he's been ask who to show the card to and simply said it's the black man, I think it's ok. Assuming there was only one black man in the vicinity. If he's said "I dunno, just book the black guy" then that's racist. Or if he's fuming going 'book that black guy!" then probably racist as well.

Yeah he possibly should avoided the issue by simply walking over and indicating which man it was from close distance.
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Totally agree.
In fact, I agree with all of the above. (y)
 
Every time I see that ref Im always amazed how he gets to keep his job - card happy and always gives shocking decisions

That was never a penalty in a million years , it was closer to being a foul by Greenwood and then the ball clearly hitting Maguire on the hand which with the current rules should have been disallowed

Leipzig were superb and thankfully they got the result they deserved
 
Man Utd playing a genuine back 5 and 2 holding midfielders, great to see after getting rid of Jose Utd have gone for an attacking manager!

Outclassed tonight in the first 60 and paid the price for bottling it in Turkey and awful decisions in the PSG game last week. That said even in another woeful showing, Ole still finds more luck in 45 minutes than most managers get in a season. Dodgy pen and a deflection almost hauled them through :whistle:
 
4LEX said:
Man Utd playing a genuine back 5 and 2 holding midfielders, great to see after getting rid of Jose Utd have gone for an attacking manager!

Outclassed tonight in the first 60 and paid the price for bottling it in Turkey and awful decisions in the PSG game last week. That said even in another woeful showing, Ole still finds more luck in 45 minutes than most managers get in a season. Dodgy pen and a deflection almost hauled them through :whistle:
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Best chance of equalising was a near own goal as well.
 
Orikoru said:
Context is everything though. If he's been ask who to show the card to and simply said it's the black man, I think it's ok. Assuming there was only one black man in the vicinity. If he's said "I dunno, just book the black guy" then that's racist. Or if he's fuming going 'book that black guy!" then probably racist as well.

Yeah he possibly should avoided the issue by simply walking over and indicating which man it was from close distance.
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From twitter:
But this is the problem: racism and ignorance are not mutually exclusive. They often go together. Just because a reckless driver does not mean to dent someone else’s car, it does not make that car any less dented. Racism is not about intent. It is about effect.
 
pauldj42 said:
From twitter:
But this is the problem: racism and ignorance are not mutually exclusive. They often go together. Just because a reckless driver does not mean to dent someone else’s car, it does not make that car any less dented. Racism is not about intent. It is about effect.
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Not sure how that relates to what I said but ok.
 
pauldj42 said:
It relates in the fact that context is irrelevant, the 4th official should know better.
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When me and Missis T adopted, our first appointment was with a Black female social worker. She went through all the topics we will go through to be accepted to adopt. Cultures, race, religion, sexuality etc etc. It was all about understanding and acceptance of others. She asked me if I had any Black friends. I told her i Had a few coloured friends but there were not many coloureds that worked in the pit. You are talking 25 years ago. She was not happy and went onto say she is Black and proud. I mentioned that she meant Black, I meant everyone that is not white. People from all over the world. She was having none of it. I asked a Black friend the following weekend re is he Black or coloured and what’s the difference. He said to him there is no difference, to others it means a lot. He said it’s how it is said that he knows if folk are being ignorant/ rascist or not.
Now that adoption course took four years to complete. During the first meeting with the social worker she went onto explain about black people there culture and food. She mentioned they eat chicken, rice and peas. By the end of the course we were told we were not to mention black people eat chicken, rice and peas as it “ type casts” people. What was acceptable and what was not changed over the course of four years. It was frustrating.
For me there is racism in this country, but there is also, sexism, nepotism, Gay bashing ( why can people still in 2020 not come out as gay for fear of abuse) Etc etc. The list is long with what is wrong in this and other countries. Because a person may not know the correct terminology I don’t think it don’t makes them rascist. Anywhere in between naive to ignorant to rascist yes. But as I have said, this problem will not be solved by taking a knee, it will highlight the problem. But for me Racism and other problems in this country should be taught at school and especially at home.
 
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Tashyboy said:
But for me Racism and other problems in this country should be taught at school and especially at home.
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Racism, homophobia, religious intolerance etc are all covered in schools. The problem is not what the schools teach it is what the kids hear and see when they get home. This is why it takes so long to weed out the problems.
 
Tashyboy said:
But for me Racism and other problems in this country should be taught at school and especially at home.
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Are you sure??

Racists teaching there kids about racism??

This is already happening and is why the problem still exists. Racism, Bigotry, homophobic is all taught at home.

I'm a great believer that children are only a reflection of the parents, generally.
 
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