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The Footie Thread

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Stuart_C said:
Brilliant performance from the unbearable's, gutted I wasn't 1 of the lucky 1500 to be there tonight.

Fans back in the ground makes a massive difference to watching it on the box.
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My cousin was there. He described the atmosphere as 'strange'. Not very expansive but I understand what he means.
 
Kellfire said:
Shouting at someone in the heat of the moment does not mean we don’t respect someone. Zero tolerance isn’t the way forward imo.
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I agree. When I see people chastising players for their immediate reactions to decisions I feel it's very unlikely they've ever played a competitive sport. When you see a ref make a blatantly wrong decision in your eyes, it's damn near impossible to stay silent, it's just your initial reaction to a perceived injustice. As I said earlier - in the games I play, if the ref makes a call like that and then backs it up by telling us all to get lost and refusing to acknowledge us, that's when he loses our respect - not for the decision itself. If he calmly explains what he thought he saw and why he gave it that way - may only be one quick sentence - then that nearly always dispels it and we get on with the game.

I'm personally not a rugby person at all, so I don't understand all of it, but it's clearly a very different game with a different background and history, different set of rules - comparing football to rugby never makes any logical sense to me. It's apples and oranges.
 
Orikoru said:
I agree. When I see people chastising players for their immediate reactions to decisions I feel it's very unlikely they've ever played a competitive sport. When you see a ref make a blatantly wrong decision in your eyes, it's damn near impossible to stay silent, it's just your initial reaction to a perceived injustice. As I said earlier - in the games I play, if the ref makes a call like that and then backs it up by telling us all to get lost and refusing to acknowledge us, that's when he loses our respect - not for the decision itself. If he calmly explains what he thought he saw and why he gave it that way - may only be one quick sentence - then that nearly always dispels it and we get on with the game.

I'm personally not a rugby person at all, so I don't understand all of it, but it's clearly a very different game with a different background and history, different set of rules - comparing football to rugby never makes any logical sense to me. It's apples and oranges.
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Rugby once described as a thug's game played by Gentleman
Football once described as a Gentleman's game played by thugs..
 
Orikoru said:
I agree. When I see people chastising players for their immediate reactions to decisions I feel it's very unlikely they've ever played a competitive sport. When you see a ref make a blatantly wrong decision in your eyes, it's damn near impossible to stay silent, it's just your initial reaction to a perceived injustice. As I said earlier - in the games I play, if the ref makes a call like that and then backs it up by telling us all to get lost and refusing to acknowledge us, that's when he loses our respect - not for the decision itself. If he calmly explains what he thought he saw and why he gave it that way - may only be one quick sentence - then that nearly always dispels it and we get on with the game.

I'm personally not a rugby person at all, so I don't understand all of it, but it's clearly a very different game with a different background and history, different set of rules - comparing football to rugby never makes any logical sense to me. It's apples and oranges.
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I suspect you have only played football then. It's entirely possible to stay silent, whilst inwardly fuming, if the consequences are great enough and that is instilled in you from day 1. If international, as well as amateur, hockey, rugby, cricket players, plenty of other examples but I will keep it to those 3, can manage then football can if it wants to.

Let's give football a sinbin for a moment. Henderson gets in the face of a ref as he did the other day. Ref puts him in the sinbin for 10, maybe 20 minutes. Liverpool let a goal in during that time. Will he repeat the offence? If he does what will his team mates say to him? What will his manager do? It becomes self policing either by the player, team mates or manager. Football has never had this option, it had the 10yd rule but bottled it. It's easy to do once your mindset is there. At the moment football doesn't have it so you get the current situation.

It is not apples and oranges, it is about behaviour and control.
 
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Orikoru said:
I agree. When I see people chastising players for their immediate reactions to decisions I feel it's very unlikely they've ever played a competitive sport. When you see a ref make a blatantly wrong decision in your eyes, it's damn near impossible to stay silent, it's just your initial reaction to a perceived injustice. As I said earlier - in the games I play, if the ref makes a call like that and then backs it up by telling us all to get lost and refusing to acknowledge us, that's when he loses our respect - not for the decision itself. If he calmly explains what he thought he saw and why he gave it that way - may only be one quick sentence - then that nearly always dispels it and we get on with the game.

I'm personally not a rugby person at all, so I don't understand all of it, but it's clearly a very different game with a different background and history, different set of rules - comparing football to rugby never makes any logical sense to me. It's apples and oranges.
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If you don’t acknowledge the lack of respect for the officials then it will never change

Reading your post suggests that you have only played and been interested in football and fail to see that many other sports are just as competitive by nature but have a respect for the officials

I played a high level competitive sport and seen decisions go against us that I thought was wrong - I reacted and got punished for the reaction , I soon learned that my reaction needed to change. Now since I also am an official at the sport the players show the respect , if they don’t then it’s the same punishment- teammates will soon stop it.

If Henderson was screaming in the refs face then he should have been booked and any other player who did it. Doesn’t matter if you the player tbink the decision is wrong - you aren’t the one making the decisions , you respect the officials and then ask the question after the match.

It’s an attitude problem in football and it won’t ever change unfortunately because the authorities don’t have the guts to crack down on it enough. They do it on the one occasion then expect it to filter through.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
If you don’t acknowledge the lack of respect for the officials then it will never change

Reading your post suggests that you have only played and been interested in football and fail to see that many other sports are just as competitive by nature but have a respect for the officials

I played a high level competitive sport and seen decisions go against us that I thought was wrong - I reacted and got punished for the reaction , I soon learned that my reaction needed to change. Now since I also am an official at the sport the players show the respect , if they don’t then it’s the same punishment- teammates will soon stop it.

If Henderson was screaming in the refs face then he should have been booked and any other player who did it. Doesn’t matter if you the player tbink the decision is wrong - you aren’t the one making the decisions , you respect the officials and then ask the question after the match.

It’s an attitude problem in football and it won’t ever change unfortunately because the authorities don’t have the guts to crack down on it enough. They do it on the one occasion then expect it to filter through.
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What happened to only the captain being allowed to talk to the ref aswell? They pretty much all went with Henderson yelling

Now he is the captain he has to set a better example

Push them all back and talk to the ref is what is suppose to happen
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I suspect you have only played football then. It's entirely possible to stay silent, whilst inwardly fuming, if the consequences are great enough and that is instilled in you from day 1. If international, as well as amateur, hockey, rugby, cricket players, plenty of other examples but I will keep it to those 3, can manage then football can if it wants to.

Let's give football a sinbin for a moment. Henderson gets in the face of a ref as he did the other day. Ref puts him in the sinbin for 10, maybe 20 minutes. Liverpool let a goal in during that time. Will he repeat the offence? If he does what will his team mates say to him? What will his manager do? It becomes self policing either by the player, team mates or manager. Football has never had this option, it had the 10yd rule but bottled it. It's easy to do once your mindset is there. At the moment football doesn't have it so you get the current situation.

It is not apples and oranges, it is about behaviour and control.
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As @pauldj42 suggested earlier though, it is apples and oranges because you can't change 100+ years of history of the two sports - that's the reason they are where they are.

At my level we do actually have sinbins for abusing the referee. Obviously you get that for swearing at him, abusive conduct, and quite rightly of course. But disagreeing with a decision doesn't qualify, so long as you're not calling him every name under the sun. With a good ref you can have that discussion without it getting out of hand. I'm not sure if the plan was to trial the sinbin at non-league in order to eventually introduce it to pro level, or whether it was always going to be non-league only just to help keep more referees in the game.


Liverpoolphil said:
If you don’t acknowledge the lack of respect for the officials then it will never change

Reading your post suggests that you have only played and been interested in football and fail to see that many other sports are just as competitive by nature but have a respect for the officials

I played a high level competitive sport and seen decisions go against us that I thought was wrong - I reacted and got punished for the reaction , I soon learned that my reaction needed to change. Now since I also am an official at the sport the players show the respect , if they don’t then it’s the same punishment- teammates will soon stop it.

If Henderson was screaming in the refs face then he should have been booked and any other player who did it. Doesn’t matter if you the player tbink the decision is wrong - you aren’t the one making the decisions , you respect the officials and then ask the question after the match.

It’s an attitude problem in football and it won’t ever change unfortunately because the authorities don’t have the guts to crack down on it enough. They do it on the one occasion then expect it to filter through.
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I haven't seen the Henderson thing, I've just been talking on a general level from my own experience. If he was shouting abuse at the ref that obviously qualifies as disrespect and I'd expect to see a punishment. And it's the type of thing you would get a sinbin for in my league as I mentioned. I was just saying that instinctively disagreeing with a decision and questioning it isn't 'disrespecting' the referee, you should be able to have that conversation if you're not abusive.


pauljames87 said:
What happened to only the captain being allowed to talk to the ref aswell? They pretty much all went with Henderson yelling

Now he is the captain he has to set a better example

Push them all back and talk to the ref is what is suppose to happen
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I agree the captain's role should be to calm his teammates down and speak to the ref in a calm, concise way rather than screaming at him. Unfortunately with a lot of clubs the captains seem to be most fiery members of the team sometimes - going back to the days of Roy Keane, Steven Gerrard etc. You remember recently when Maguire was overheard trying to calm Rashford down over a decision and the media/Utd fans were up in arms that their captain wasn't angrily debating the decision!
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I suspect you have only played football then. It's entirely possible to stay silent, whilst inwardly fuming, if the consequences are great enough and that is instilled in you from day 1. If international, as well as amateur, hockey, rugby, cricket players, plenty of other examples but I will keep it to those 3, can manage then football can if it wants to.

Let's give football a sinbin for a moment. Henderson gets in the face of a ref as he did the other day. Ref puts him in the sinbin for 10, maybe 20 minutes. Liverpool let a goal in during that time. Will he repeat the offence? If he does what will his team mates say to him? What will his manager do? It becomes self policing either by the player, team mates or manager. Football has never had this option, it had the 10yd rule but bottled it. It's easy to do once your mindset is there. At the moment football doesn't have it so you get the current situation.

It is not apples and oranges, it is about behaviour and control.
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I too never played rugby, only football and, in the summer, cricket.

Certainly did not have an unblemished disciplinary record at football and was always very committed.

However, one thing I never did was argue with refs.

What's the point? He's never going to change his decision.

Inwardly I might curse him but on the outside I always showed respect.

To me the behaviour often shown nowadays towards officials is reminiscent of a bunch of spoiled toddlers.

Grow up and get on with the game!
 
The sooner Football crowds mirror Cricket with its polite clapping, High Tea during a break and fans in whacky costumes the better.:rolleyes:
 
@Orikoru In rugby and hockey, cricket also but it is a calmer sport generally so probably best to leave that to one side, you can speak to the officials, ask why they gave a decision but you do it politely and calmly. What you don't do is shout at them, get in their faces, surround them etc. The best officials in any sport have a conversation with the players but that conversation needs to be done in a reasonable manner. You can be committed and polite at the same time, it really isn't hard.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
My cousin was there. He described the atmosphere as 'strange'. Not very expansive but I understand what he means.
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Spoke to a few mates this morning they said it was boss given there was only 1500 on the kop.
 
Stuart_C said:
4 English players blatantly diving and cheating and not a mention on MOTD or sky over the last fortnight, imagine the fume if they were foreign.
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Amazon did say coady should have been booked

But your correct the BBC never talk about it
 
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