clubchamp98
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Might have got the wrong game. Can’t remember watched all the games.
There was one at the weekend made me cringe .
Proper point of elbow in the jaw.
Ref just ignored it and nothing made of it, but was really bad
There was one at the weekend made me cringe .
Proper point of elbow in the jaw.
Ref just ignored it and nothing made of it, but was really bad
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Goals conceded does only tell part of a story, but it depends on what story people want to tell, ie, If they should be dominating Europe by now and that is the focus, then absolutely there’s a big issue, but if you look solely at the PL, then there is very little issue.
All the arguments that can be levelled against them over the last 12 months could also be levelled at yourselves (and that’s ridiculous) last season they conceded 35 goals to your 33 but lost 9 games, some of those defeats to Norwich, Southampton, Wolves twice etc, 17 games in which they didn’t conceded goals compared to 15 games yous conceded in.
I go back to what I said before, without Klopp raising the bar City’s issues would still be there, but wouldn’t be in the headlines.
Orikoru
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The main difference defensively between City and Liverpool is personnel. Liverpool have Van Dijk, City have nobody of that quality. Liverpool also have Fabinho protecting the defence, Fernandinho did that well for City but he is seemingly being phased out for Rodri who doesn't do it quite so well. Both have great goalies who come off their line quick to bail them out when the high line gets caught out. City just need that dominant centre back to tidy things up - maybe it's Ruben Dias, I don't know as I've not seen him play.
City's low goals conceded is obviously down to the sheer amount of possession they have. Most teams are going there and having 30% of the ball, they're obviously not going to score many. But a team that's well set up like Leicester can obviously get at them. Liverpool would never concede 5 goals at home because Van Dijk and Fabinho are too good for that.
City's low goals conceded is obviously down to the sheer amount of possession they have. Most teams are going there and having 30% of the ball, they're obviously not going to score many. But a team that's well set up like Leicester can obviously get at them. Liverpool would never concede 5 goals at home because Van Dijk and Fabinho are too good for that.
Liverbirdie
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Goals conceded does only tell part of a story, but it depends on what story people want to tell, ie, If they should be dominating Europe by now and that is the focus, then absolutely there’s a big issue, but if you look solely at the PL, then there is very little issue.
All the arguments that can be levelled against them over the last 12 months could also be levelled at yourselves (and that’s ridiculous) last season they conceded 35 goals to your 33 but lost 9 games, some of those defeats to Norwich, Southampton, Wolves twice etc, 17 games in which they didn’t conceded goals compared to 15 games yous conceded in.
I go back to what I said before, without Klopp raising the bar City’s issues would still be there, but wouldn’t be in the headlines.
Ok, lets maybe be a bit more specific then:-
1. Have City had value for money for their 340mill spend on defenders over the last few years?
2. What is City's main weakness?
3. Do you think Pep adequately coaches position, tackling, team set up (defensively and against transition, to use the current buzz word), and now he has been found out about tactical fouling, has he no plan B for defending the next phase of play, if the first or second press is beaten?
4. Is defending important to Pep?
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I’m not doubting City have to sort themselves out, but defending starts from the front and they were weak all over the park against Leicester.Ok, lets maybe be a bit more specific then:-
1. Have City had value for money for their 340mill spend on defenders over the last few years?
How many years and is it per Trophy?
2. What is City's main weakness?
Liverpool.
3. Do you think Pep adequately coaches position, tackling, team set up (defensively and against transition, to use the current buzz word), and now he has been found out about tactical fouling, has he no plan B for defending the next phase of play, if the first or second press is beaten?
His main tactic is possession football, none of his teams are built on simply out scoring the opposition. Watch the Amazon programme on them and you’ll see he covers all parts of the game, he leaves nothing to chance or ignores any area.
4. Is defending important to Pep?
Of course it is, that’s obvious by the sheer amount of money he’s wasted.
Pep has forced other teams to raise their game and I’m sure he’d of been found out in La Liga or the Bundesliga by now.
I find with Pep it’s the normal British media and finding fault and wanting to put somebody down that is happening.
Bunkermagnet
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I would have said his time in the Bundesliga wasn’t a roaring success.
However I think the more pertinent question right now, is who would you want to manage your team right now....Klopp or Pep?
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I reckon Alex Iwobi would make a better right back than Walker, not a high bar. £50m Pep? I reckon he could be tempted.
fundy
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wow, thought you were different Stu, take the tints off buddy
Looks to see where he is, straight arm to the face, clear as they come
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Pep, far far better record than Klopp, give Klopp a few more years and he might get there, but his record is zero compared to Peps.
Record at Bayern:
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Orikoru
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That's a really difficult one to judge, I think. I'd almost say it's worse than a yellow but not quite a red. It's dangerous play as he's put his forearm up at head height - I don't think he's meant to hit him as such, but letter of the law, probably just a red.
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Neither, CarlofantasticoThat’s not what I asked
Right now, which of them would you want managing your team?
If pushed, Pep
Liverbirdie
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Neither, Carlofantastico
If pushed, Pep
Which one would you want if your club only had a normal budget?
If Pep ever goes to a club of the Standing of Seville, Lazio, Schalke, Lyon, Wolves and does the same magic, I'll be the first to congratulate him, but a bit like Mourinho has he proved that he can manage a club to greatness without excessive funds, or from the 2nd tier of clubs in that country.
Liverbirdie
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When someone spends that amount of money on a defence, questions should be asked by the media.
Junior
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I think that point 3 is the nail on the head. You can sign all the defenders you want, but, at this level, if the system you play leaves them exposed then they're still going to be toast. We're a perfect example of this atm too. Maguire was the solution to all our problems, but, we are shocking at the minute as we've zero work rate and we're always leaving ourselves exposed to counter attacks. Watching Lpool last night was again an education in work rate and tracking the ball down. Your defenders rarely have to defend as your midfield and strikers are often chasing thr ball down. Arsenal played right into your hands last night by trying the old ticca tacca from the back.
So far, from what I've seen this season is that Lpool, Leicester and Everton have really impressed. Something isn't right with our dressing room. Seems to be a lethargy about Man U that Ole needs to put right. We're not working half as hard are we did at the end of last season.
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None of them, all of them have spent millions.
Pep got Barca after proving himself at Barca B, Jose did with Porto, Klopp with Dortmund, are you really suggesting instead of staying at or near the top they should step backwards?
Liverbirdie
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None of them, all of them have spent millions.
Pep got Barca after proving himself at Barca B, Jose did with Porto, Klopp with Dortmund, are you really suggesting instead of staying at or near the top they should step backwards?
Although pep has been a great manager, managing the reserves doesnt necessarily mean you will cut it at the elite level. Thats a bigger step then going from mid-prem to top 6, never mind from a championship club.
Why not - hes had 15 years at the top, prove to yourself that you can turn a top 5-6 Spanish club into challengers.
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I can’t think of any Sport were a person will reach the top level and then while there decide to go back a few levels to “prove” themselves, after all I doubt any at the top level would actually believe they don’t deserve to be were they are.
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