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pauldj42 said:
The Linesman would raise his flag if he believes the forward is offside in both scenarios if a forward scores then there will be an automatic review by VAR.

In this instance the forward fluffed his shot, the linesman flagged and the Ref went with the Linesman, that is outside the VAR scope to review.

So if there is an error it maybe the Ref not thinking the contact from the defender was intentional or there was a player offside earlier in the move.

It is the same Law in FIFA/UEFA/PL
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I guess the circumstances aren't similar because the ball didn't finish up in the net.....however if it did, then I'm pretty certain it would have been chalked off, unlike what seems to happen in the 2nd scenario I described, where a defender trying to cut out a through ball to a player who was offside, gets a touch on the ball but fails to prevent it reaching the attacking player.
 
nickjdavis said:
I guess the circumstances aren't similar because the ball didn't finish up in the net.....however if it did, then I'm pretty certain it would have been chalked off, unlike what seems to happen in the 2nd scenario I described, where a defender trying to cut out a through ball to a player who was offside, gets a touch on the ball but fails to prevent it reaching the attacking player.
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I've given up trying to figure out the offside law now, it's a farce. Wouldn't be surprised if they have a different rule in Europe than we have in the Prem now just to confuse it further.
 
Swango1980 said:
Agree with Orikoru, Pogba lost "daddy" status when Bruno arrived and did what he did. If Pogba still felt he was the daddy after that, then he will still think he is the daddy with Ronaldo in the team.

The hopes that Pogba will become a great player for Utd have now faded with me. Sooner they get rid the better, take away the temptation in playing him. There are other players on the bench that could do with the opportunity when he is in the 1st 11.
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I sometimes think there’s an element of his price tag being involved in the decision to play Pogba. He cost nearly £100m therefore he MUST be a top class player. But he shows time, and time and time again that he simply isn’t. Flashes of brilliance every now and again but what I expect from him, as a matter of course, is just one mistake after another.

We should have cut our losses long ago.
 
Swango1980 said:
Agree with Orikoru, Pogba lost "daddy" status when Bruno arrived and did what he did. If Pogba still felt he was the daddy after that, then he will still think he is the daddy with Ronaldo in the team.

The hopes that Pogba will become a great player for Utd have now faded with me. Sooner they get rid the better, take away the temptation in playing him. There are other players on the bench that could do with the opportunity when he is in the 1st 11.
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It’s certainly not just Pogba they need to get rid of although of all the ones he’s still got the best attributes to be a great at OT.

Fred,Matic and Maguire could all be replaced

Lingard 100% deserves a start
Sancho and VDB deserve a chance to show if they have what it takes but I’m doubtful with those 2.

Mata needs to move on to play otherwise his career is over at Utd

Bailly and Lundelof as a partnership? If they could both stay fit.
 
nickjdavis said:
I guess the circumstances aren't similar because the ball didn't finish up in the net.....however if it did, then I'm pretty certain it would have been chalked off, unlike what seems to happen in the 2nd scenario I described, where a defender trying to cut out a through ball to a player who was offside, gets a touch on the ball but fails to prevent it reaching the attacking player.
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Unfortunately limiting VAR’s remit can cause issues as well as some of these decisions fall on the Refs interpretation.

In the above situation the only advantage gained was by Man Utd, which as you say if the attacker had scored they wouldn’t of.
 
pokerjoke said:
It’s certainly not just Pogba they need to get rid of although of all the ones he’s still got the best attributes to be a great at OT.

Fred,Matic and Maguire could all be replaced

Lingard 100% deserves a start
Sancho and VDB deserve a chance to show if they have what it takes but I’m doubtful with those 2.

Mata needs to move on to play otherwise his career is over at Utd

Bailly and Lundelof as a partnership? If they could both stay fit.
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TBF though Tony you need to replace them over a slow period, there’s no way you are currently better than 4th and making any quick wholesale changes would need time to bed in.

You may pick up 1 or 2 “Big” players in the Jan sale but very unlikely.

Your best option is to get CL next season and replace some players or even the manager at the end of this season.

I don’t think your owners would be willing to risk falling out of the top 4-6 over the next few years to rebuild.
 
Swango1980 said:
Agree with Orikoru, Pogba lost "daddy" status when Bruno arrived and did what he did. If Pogba still felt he was the daddy after that, then he will still think he is the daddy with Ronaldo in the team.

The hopes that Pogba will become a great player for Utd have now faded with me. Sooner they get rid the better, take away the temptation in playing him. There are other players on the bench that could do with the opportunity when he is in the 1st 11.
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maybe that’s the issue in regards this “daddy status”

I think if you look at Chelsea , Liverpool and City there doesn’t seem to be these big ego types - they are just one team together , yes there are players who are better than others but there are no huge egos to massage

Where as you look at UTD and first it was Pogba as one big ego , then you add in Fernandes and then Ronaldo comes in as the biggest of them all - so it’s individuals just playing together and plenty of times it looks like individuals as well

Then you look at the others and it’s just a team - doesn’t matter which 11 are picked there are all as one. Even little strops when players come off get sorted quickly

I can imagine those three big players stropping if they don’t get picked

It’s why I think none of the other teams would touch those players even though they are very talented
 
Liverpoolphil said:
maybe that’s the issue in regards this “daddy status”

I think if you look at Chelsea , Liverpool and City there doesn’t seem to be these big ego types - they are just one team together , yes there are players who are better than others but there are no huge egos to massage

Where as you look at UTD and first it was Pogba as one big ego , then you add in Fernandes and then Ronaldo comes in as the biggest of them all - so it’s individuals just playing together and plenty of times it looks like individuals as well

Then you look at the others and it’s just a team - doesn’t matter which 11 are picked there are all as one. Even little strops when players come off get sorted quickly

I can imagine those three big players stropping if they don’t get picked

It’s why I think none of the other teams would touch those players even though they are very talented
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Ronaldo has a big ego, in that he is a hugely confident individual. But, he proves himself time and time again, and the team are better for it. Cantona was hugely confident, Van Nistlerooy, Beckham, etc, but they worked their socks off and were huge for the team, They were huge for their team mates. Bruno also seems extremely confident, but he also delivers (albeit I do get a bit frustrated at times that he tries the Hollywood pass a little too often).

The problem with Pogba is that he has a huge ego, but he absolutely does not deliver on the same scale. It is not even that he is invisible, he actually becomes a liability in more games that he is a hero. This is not the ego any team need.
 
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pauldj42 said:
TBF though Tony you need to replace them over a slow period, there’s no way you are currently better than 4th and making any quick wholesale changes would need time to bed in.

You may pick up 1 or 2 “Big” players in the Jan sale but very unlikely.

Your best option is to get CL next season and replace some players or even the manager at the end of this season.

I don’t think your owners would be willing to risk falling out of the top 4-6 over the next few years to rebuild.
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Agree with Poker that Pogba is not the only issue. Also agree that if you got rid of everyone in one go, it could backfire. Strange thing is, when Ole came in they did get rid of a lot of "deadwood", such as getting rid of Lukaku, Sanchez, Young, etc. But, since then, they've stalled in getting rid of players. It is almost like they are hoarding players. Means we have got to a point were, on the face of it they have brought some decent players in. But the squad is so full of players that "could" push for first team spots, and Ole is confused as to what the best team is. I think it has tempted him into thinking that the solution to a bad results is just rotating a few players (until the Spurs game where he suddenly saw the tactics were also important, or at least it was his last chance to try something different).

From my perspective, I would get rid of Pogba, Mata, Martial and Matic. I'm surprised some of them were not sold / released a year or 2 ago. I'd hold on to the likes of Fred for now, although my preference would for him to become a squad player. Rashford, and even Greenwood are starting to concern me. Neither ever seems "up for it", and they often seem to strop about the pitch if things are not going perfectly. Rashford was invisible last night. Compare their attitude to Cavani. Even if things are not going well for him or the team, he is always on his toes, running, and looks determined to turn things around. I'm not sure if that poor attitude is a knock on to how others in the squad behave and / or the manager is unable to deal with it.

Anyone remember Amad Diallo?
 
pauldj42 said:
TBF though Tony you need to replace them over a slow period, there’s no way you are currently better than 4th and making any quick wholesale changes would need time to bed in.

You may pick up 1 or 2 “Big” players in the Jan sale but very unlikely.

Your best option is to get CL next season and replace some players or even the manager at the end of this season.

I don’t think your owners would be willing to risk falling out of the top 4-6 over the next few years to rebuild.
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To be fair I never mentioned quickly,however your right ,it would definitely have to be slowly,maybe 1 in 1 out and your right about availability.
Also who can afford their wages once bought,and bought at a loss to Utd.
One thing is for certain they aren’t good enough for the biggest club in the world.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
maybe that’s the issue in regards this “daddy status”

I think if you look at Chelsea , Liverpool and City there doesn’t seem to be these big ego types - they are just one team together , yes there are players who are better than others but there are no huge egos to massage

Where as you look at UTD and first it was Pogba as one big ego , then you add in Fernandes and then Ronaldo comes in as the biggest of them all - so it’s individuals just playing together and plenty of times it looks like individuals as well

Then you look at the others and it’s just a team - doesn’t matter which 11 are picked there are all as one. Even little strops when players come off get sorted quickly

I can imagine those three big players stropping if they don’t get picked

It’s why I think none of the other teams would touch those players even though they are very talented
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Every player should strop if they don’t get picked I’d be surprised if they didn’t.
They have big egos and Ronaldos might be the biggest but he’s the best player in the world still at 36.
If you listen to his interview after the game last night he didn’t mention himself once or slate his team mates,even though the interviewer was trying to goad him.
Class player,class team mate and class man imhbo:)
 
Orikoru said:
God I hope so. Would be hilarious if they got relegated immediately after becoming the richest club on earth. :LOL:
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Our skipper hates Man Utd and was wants them to lose every game, he has as soft spot for Newcastle and when I said I hope they get relegated he said he would be supporting ManUtd against Spurs ?
 
That’s not a bad ball ?

There will be a red card in this game as Atletico resort to type
 
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