The Footie Thread

[nickjdavis]

Just watching the Atalanta v Man U game....Atalanta have a shot from outside the area which is blocked by a Man U player, ball loops up in the air and falls to an Atalanta player who was offside when the shot was originally hit....player badly scuffs his shot but is flagged offside any way.

How is this scenario different from when an attacking player tries to play a through ball, but a defender sticks out a foot to block the pass but deflects the ball to a player who was offside when the pass was originally played?

We've seen loads of instances of the second scenario where the player scores and the goal is allowed to stand because the defender got a touch on the ball. So why should the first be treated any differently?

For what its worth...I don't agree with the second scenario where the fact that the defender gets a touch negates the offside position of the player....its the defenders job to try to get a touch on the ball to cut it out....just as its the defenders job to try to block a shot....just interested as to why two very similar scenarios get treated differently under todays convoluted offside rules.

 

[Billysboots]

Eric Bailly having a good game. If he could stay fit for more than a handful of games there would be merit in pairing him with Varane. Maguire has been awful again.

 

[Slime]

Eric Bailly having a good game. If he could stay fit for more than a handful of games there would be merit in pairing him with Varane. Maguire has been awful again.

................. and Pogba has been embarrassing.

 

[Billysboots]

................. and Pogba has been embarrassing.

He’s not been that good.

 

[ColchesterFC]

@Slime

 

[Slime]

 

[Swango1980]

Just watching the Atalanta v Man U game....Atalanta have a shot from outside the area which is blocked by a Man U player, ball loops up in the air and falls to an Atalanta player who was offside when the shot was originally hit....player badly scuffs his shot but is flagged offside any way.

How is this scenario different from when an attacking player tries to play a through ball, but a defender sticks out a foot to block the pass but deflects the ball to a player who was offside when the pass was originally played?

We've seen loads of instances of the second scenario where the player scores and the goal is allowed to stand because the defender got a touch on the ball. So why should the first be treated any differently?

For what its worth...I don't agree with the second scenario where the fact that the defender gets a touch negates the offside position of the player....its the defenders job to try to get a touch on the ball to cut it out....just as its the defenders job to try to block a shot....just interested as to why two very similar scenarios get treated differently under todays convoluted offside rules.

Probably nothing different at all. Just the officials getting themselves confused about the offside rule. Today is the correct application (or should be). Is it Premier League refs making a mess of it? Mind you, I notice the European officials were ridiculously slow using VAR.

Very good performance from Bailley. Ronaldo, legend. Maguire was pretty shocking. Pogba ridiculously sloppy. Rashford invisible.

 

[Billysboots]

Probably nothing different at all. Just the officials getting themselves confused about the offside rule. Today is the correct application (or should be). Is it Premier League refs making a mess of it? Mind you, I notice the European officials were ridiculously slow using VAR.

Very good performance from Bailley. Ronaldo, legend. Maguire was pretty shocking. Pogba ridiculously sloppy. Rashford invisible.

I don’t know why Olé persists with Pogba. I’d love to see Van de Beek get a decent run in the side - it would really concern me to see him leave having never been given a sniff of a chance.

 

[4LEX]

Ronaldo bailing out Utd time and time again at his age is ridiculous. That's 9 goals in 11 games and a lot of them vital ones. Without his CL goals Utd would have 5 less points and be out of the CL.

Man Utd were a shambles again, wrong shape, tactically clueless, flat and nothing other than two moments of quality.

 

[Swango1980]

I don’t know why Olé persists with Pogba. I’d love to see Van de Beek get a decent run in the side - it would really concern me to see him leave having never been given a sniff of a chance.

Indeed, how long does one hope Pogba will one day turn isolated great performances into consistent ones? Firstly, you need a good manager and team set up to get best out of him. Put him in a deep role, I get very nervous. He may shield ball beautifully 4 times, but then 5th he loses possession and we are in deep trouble.

Time to go, Martial as well, and a few others. De Beek should definitely been given more opportunities, and I agree, why could he not play that midfield role as a rotation for Fred or McTomminay? And Lingard's prolonged absence baffles me. I wonder if Ole has fallen out with him, or forgotten he exists

 

[Swango1980]

Ronaldo bailing out Utd time and time again at his age is ridiculous. That's 9 goals in 11 games and a lot of them vital ones. Without his CL goals Utd would have 5 less points and be out of the CL.

Man Utd were a shambles again, wrong shape, tactically clueless, flat and nothing other than two moments of quality.

9 goals in 11 games is decent. Especially for a guy who, if he didn't score against Spurs, would have experienced his longest goal drought since his 1st spell at Utd.

That is pretty phenomenal

 

[4LEX]

9 goals in 11 games is decent. Especially for a guy who, if he didn't score against Spurs, would have experienced his longest goal drought since his 1st spell at Utd.

That is pretty phenomenal

The guy is just different levels. Time Utd stole City's chant of FEED THE GOAT AND HE WILL SCORE

 

[IanM]

Not bad for a lazy old has-been who doesn't track back.

He'll go far!

 

[rudebhoy]

Emery set to reject Newcastle. Eddie Howe now being linked.

Talk about lowering your sights. Can see them get relegated with him in charge. What a story that would be.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just watching the Atalanta v Man U game....Atalanta have a shot from outside the area which is blocked by a Man U player, ball loops up in the air and falls to an Atalanta player who was offside when the shot was originally hit....player badly scuffs his shot but is flagged offside any way.

How is this scenario different from when an attacking player tries to play a through ball, but a defender sticks out a foot to block the pass but deflects the ball to a player who was offside when the pass was originally played?

We've seen loads of instances of the second scenario where the player scores and the goal is allowed to stand because the defender got a touch on the ball. So why should the first be treated any differently?

For what its worth...I don't agree with the second scenario where the fact that the defender gets a touch negates the offside position of the player....its the defenders job to try to get a touch on the ball to cut it out....just as its the defenders job to try to block a shot....just interested as to why two very similar scenarios get treated differently under todays convoluted offside rules.

The Linesman would raise his flag if he believes the forward is offside in both scenarios if a forward scores then there will be an automatic review by VAR.

In this instance the forward fluffed his shot, the linesman flagged and the Ref went with the Linesman, that is outside the VAR scope to review.

So if there is an error it maybe the Ref not thinking the contact from the defender was intentional or there was a player offside earlier in the move.

It is the same Law in FIFA/UEFA/PL

 

[2blue]

Not bad for a lazy old has-been who doesn't track back.

He'll go far!

Returns to a struggling side in the toughest league in the world & is bailing them out game after game.... unquestionably the GOAT in any era.
There couldn't be a better example to the rest of the team..... though many seem to be astonishly blind to it

 

[Slime]

Returns to a struggling side in the toughest league in the world & is bailing them out game after game.... unquestionably the GOAT in any era.
There couldn't be a better example to the rest of the team..... though many seem to be astonishly blind to it

He's certainly put Pogba's nose out of joint!
Suddenly Pogba's not the daddy and I don't think he likes it.

 

[Orikoru]

He's certainly put Pogba's nose out of joint!
Suddenly Pogba's not the daddy and I don't think he likes it.

Was he ever? Bruno was the main man before Ronaldo came along, not Pogba.

 

[Slime]

Was he ever? Bruno was the main man before Ronaldo came along, not Pogba.

Not in Pogba's head.

 

[Swango1980]

Not in Pogba's head.

Agree with Orikoru, Pogba lost "daddy" status when Bruno arrived and did what he did. If Pogba still felt he was the daddy after that, then he will still think he is the daddy with Ronaldo in the team.

The hopes that Pogba will become a great player for Utd have now faded with me. Sooner they get rid the better, take away the temptation in playing him. There are other players on the bench that could do with the opportunity when he is in the 1st 11.