The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 16999]

Any team that finishes with more points but dosnt get promoted I would say.
As I said it dosnt really effect me .
I do remember Leeds fans were not happy last year or maybe the year before. But ok now!
The teams in the top half of the league are probably happy.
But just can’t get my head around how it’s fair to finish miles ahead of a team that gets promoted and you don’t because of a playoff.
My idea of a playoff is when you have tied and need a decider!
They have 40 games approx to sort it out over the season.
Is it a big money maker ,it must be?

If it was such an issue across all 3 Leagues, Clubs would of had it changed by now.

Yes, I accept some fans from some Clubs get irritated by it, but that’s only when it directly impacts them, they don’t have an issue at the start of the season.

 

[GB72]

Any team that finishes with more points but dosnt get promoted I would say.
As I said it dosnt really effect me .
I do remember Leeds fans were not happy last year or maybe the year before. But ok now!
The teams in the top half of the league are probably happy.
But just can’t get my head around how it’s fair to finish miles ahead of a team that gets promoted and you don’t because of a playoff.
My idea of a playoff is when you have tied and need a decider!
They have 40 games approx to sort it out over the season.
Is it a big money maker ,it must be?

Guessing from the point of view of the FA it is another sold out day at Wembley with all of the associated spend that goes with that.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Might have something to do with the money they are putting in.
It’s being led by lower teams asking for help.
But strings are attached.

Proposed, that’s all, trying financial blackmail to protect their own future.

 

[clubchamp98]

If it was such an issue across all 3 Leagues, Clubs would of had it changed by now.

Yes, I accept some fans from some Clubs get irritated by it, but that’s only when it directly impacts them, they don’t have an issue at the start of the season.

The days of what fans think ended a long time ago.
It’s just business now.
Money talks , that’s why imo the PL Big boys will get what they want.

 

[GB72]

Might have something to do with the money they are putting in.
It’s being led by lower teams asking for help.
But strings are attached.

This is what has grabbed my attention. All of the teams below the Premier league need bailing out to some extent and are looking to the Premier league teams to do it. All well and good but they need to be expected to hand something back in return. The Premier League pay them the money they need for a lifeline, stabalise their income going forward and remove the financial benefit of relegated teams getting a parachute payment. In exchange they want the team in 16th place to have a chance to retain their Premiership status. Plus they are bailing out the FA to the tune of £100 million as well. Again, coming from someone who is only a passing football supporter, it does not seem to be the worst deal in the world. The bits about voting rights etc in the Premier League itself is a bit more suspect but, again, I suspect that it is the top 6 clubs who will be footing much of the bill.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The days of what fans think ended a long time ago.
It’s just business now.
Money talks , that’s why imo the PL Big boys will get what they want.

So if the fans are irrelevant and the 3 Leagues still have the play off system after 30+ years, the Clubs must be ok with it.

 

[fundy]

This is what has grabbed my attention. All of the teams below the Premier league need bailing out to some extent and are looking to the Premier league teams to do it. All well and good but they need to be expected to hand something back in return. The Premier League pay them the money they need for a lifeline, stabalise their income going forward and remove the financial benefit of relegated teams getting a parachute payment. In exchange they want the team in 16th place to have a chance to retain their Premiership status. Plus they are bailing out the FA to the tune of £100 million as well. Again, coming from someone who is only a passing football supporter, it does not seem to be the worst deal in the world. The bits about voting rights etc in the Premier League itself is a bit more suspect but, again, I suspect that it is the top 6 clubs who will be footing much of the bill.

the only people footing the bill ultimately will be the fans, not the clubs or their owners who are just ensuring their gravy trains get bigger, theyre trying to buy complete control of the future of English football and guarantee future income and profit on a far far larger scale then the bailout they are potentially providing (its not even guaranteed, its actually an advance against future revenues!)


theres far more downside than just the 16th placed team going into the champ play offs for the sides further down. every future vote about promotion/relegation/distribution of tv money etc will be decided by the big 6, whose interests do you think they are going to consider once they have this controlling power?

 

[sunshine]

The days of what fans think ended a long time ago.
It’s just business now.
Money talks , that’s why imo the PL Big boys will get what they want.

Surely it's always been business? After all it's professional entertainment.

What fans think is massively important, in fact it is the most important consideration. You just have to recognise that "fans" applies to a group of people across the globe, not just a small group who grew up close to the ground and have a season ticket.

I don't know what to make of it all. On the one hand the quality of the football in the premier league has increased exponentially, and the proposals will enforce that... but where is the conscience and soul of the game?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Yes I see your reason.
But I just don’t think a team that finishes well above another in a league should have to play in a cup tie to settle something that you had all year to sort out.
A bit of loss of form late on costs the better team promotion.
Just my opinion ,dosnt affect me but the supporters of those teams can’t be happy.

I think they see it as you win some you lose some, but as havent done enough to finish 1st or 2nd, you have to take your chances.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I hear what you're saying, but the playoffs are great entertainment already, what does this add other than giving a PL side another bite of the cherry in terms of avoiding losing the benefit of the PL gravy train?

I see this as a good thing only for the teams that are worried they might finish 16th. It makes the PL less accessible than it currently is for championship sides.

I dont know how old you are but I remember the very first play offs when I think top of div2 and bottom of div 1 went up/down, and the other 4 teams (2nd and 3rd bottom and 2nd and 3rd top) went into the play offs.

Anyway, my point is if a revamped play offs sees David Pleat in a beige Farah ensemble running across Maine road pitch, its a winner for me.

 

[clubchamp98]

Surely it's always been business? After all it's professional entertainment.

What fans think is massively important, in fact it is the most important consideration. You just have to recognise that "fans" applies to a group of people across the globe, not just a small group who grew up close to the ground and have a season ticket.

I don't know what to make of it all. On the one hand the quality of the football in the premier league has increased exponentially, and the proposals will enforce that... but where is the conscience and soul of the game?

I see your point .
But don’t think many 2nd division clubs have fans all over the world.
They rely on bums on seats unlike the PL.
The conscience and soul went out with diving and cheating years ago.

 

[clubchamp98]

So if the fans are irrelevant and the 3 Leagues still have the play off system after 30+ years, the Clubs must be ok with it.

The clubs probably get a cut of the cash so yes they will be ok with it.
As I said “ just business”

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The clubs probably get a cut of the cash so yes they will be ok with it.
As I said “ just business”

Or they like it? It keeps the season going longer, wasn’t it last year that the team in 12th position in the Championship with a few games to go still had a chance of reaching the play off’s.
There won’t be much cash from 7 games split over 20+ Clubs.

 

[sunshine]

Or they like it? It keeps the season going longer, wasn’t it last year that the team in 12th position in the Championship with a few games to go still had a chance of reaching the play off’s.

Up until 14th July, every team in the league still had something to play for. Leeds and West Brom could have dropped into the play-offs, all the clubs down to 14th could have still got promoted, and 15th to 24th were still battling relegation. Stoke in 17th could have still finished 24th.

Play-offs are great for keeping the league alive. I'd even consider relegation play off, i.e 21st and 22nd play off to stay in the league, but 23rd and 24th go down automatically.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Now that’s a relegation playoff I could get behind!

Introduce it in the PL!

 

[clubchamp98]

Up until 14th July, every team in the league still had something to play for. Leeds and West Brom could have dropped into the play-offs, all the clubs down to 14th could have still got promoted, and 15th to 24th were still battling relegation. Stoke in 17th could have still finished 24th.

Play-offs are great for keeping the league alive. I'd even consider relegation play off, i.e 21st and 22nd play off to stay in the league, but 23rd and 24th go down automatically.

So you need a draw in your last game to beat the drop .
Might as well play a youth team and save your first team for the playoff
Because it dosnt matter how many points you have your in the playoff.

That’s what I don’t like you could be 10 pts clear but fourth from bottom playoff.
If the lower league fans like that good luck to them.

 

[Papas1982]

Imo it's usually fans of clubs that haven't experienced the playoffs that are more agaisnt it.

Not all obviously. But a question to the supporters of the top clubs.

If Uefa decided that it was champions only for the CL (again) and then a europa league. With funds massively weighted t that smallest group of qualifying teams. Would you be happy with that? Or would you rather you had four chances to get there?

 

[clubchamp98]

Imo it's usually fans of clubs that haven't experienced the playoffs that are more agaisnt it.

Not all obviously. But a question to the supporters of the top clubs.

If Uefa decided that it was champions only for the CL (again) and then a europa league. With funds massively weighted t that smallest group of qualifying teams. Would you be happy with that? Or would you rather you had four chances to get there?

I personally think it should be Champions only.
But it’s all about money now .

Imagine two teams in CL winners and playoff for second spot.
City were so far ahead of the rest last year it would not be fair ,imo of course , if Man Utd got in ahead of them on a playoff game.

All hypothetical of course ,just seems money maker to me and position in the league over a whole season means nothing!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I still think UEFA sold their soul when all of the European comps (European Cup, Cup Winners and Uefa) stopped being a random draw. I do think there is something obscene with how much the CL will bring to the clubs

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The world's most expensive CB making a reckless challenge on the left wing ??