chrisd
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In fairness a fair bit has been handed out to our cousins from North of the wall, you can hardly blame them (well, most of them...)
Absolutely agree!
Absolutely agree!
chrisd
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That's how it was feeling, but I apologise if I've got it wrong
Blue in Munich
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Fantastic rollout - 76% of adults over 40 have now been offered the Tottenham Hotspur manager's job. 
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Bdill93
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Exactly this
Rice is the better holding player, there's no doubt in my mind that hes starting! I remain hopeful GS doesnt play Hendo and does play phillips - but we will see...
Beezerk
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Henderson needs to chill out if he plays, he's trying too hard and not doing the simple stuff right.
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Bdill93
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Just desperate to be relevant for England I imagine! Been out ages before the Euros.
He does look to pass forward more than Phillips - but I'd much rather have Phillips legs in this next game!
Beezerk
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Hollywood Henderson ?
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This is the issue I have with Henderson.
Its not that he is a bad player he clearly isn't
He just isn't fit and shoe horning him back in when Phillips offers similar
To pencil him in for leadership meh . Not at expense of match fitness
However last 20 min of games to see out ? Yes can see that
Just what did Henderson do wrong when he came on in the last match? For me, he seemed solid and reliable. And he actually looked to get the ball forward.
Many on here, myself included, have criticised the negativity England have displayed but some also criticise Henderson for being positive. The guy just can’t win with some people.
Many on here, myself included, have criticised the negativity England have displayed but some also criticise Henderson for being positive. The guy just can’t win with some people.
Orikoru
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He celebrated a goal where he was about two yards offside which made him look stupid anyway.
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The second half was awful, tbh it seemed like because he rested rice he took Phillips out the advanced position and shackled him with defensive duties
First game philips was most people's mom he was much more advanced there
Against the sweaties he was much more defensive
I do feel sorry for Henderson
If covid hadnt hit and this was last season
Fit and off the back of a storming season he would be a shoe in
As it is he is injured or was, off back of average season and Phillips has emerged
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He celebrated a goal where he was about two yards offside which made him look stupid anyway.
I think we all have done that lol
Beezerk
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I just don't rate him as a high quality footballer, I never have.
Back him in an England shirt, 100% I will, he's one of the best we have doing that clean up role, but ask me to talk nicely about his footballing qualities, that ain't gonna come from me ?
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Smashing the ball forward and shouting may have appeared to be playing positively. But it's not really.
He had a couple of good seasons, but he's just not as good as Phillips and Rice. Especially when not fit.
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When fully fit and firing it's close between them and you have to have Henderson for experience in big games ATM
However he isn't fit and is getting on will be 32 next world cup so suspect that will be his last major tournament with Phillips and rice plus Bellingham the new breed
Bearing in mind the different roles different players are asked to do, I don’t disagree with a lot of what you’ve said. And, perhaps, a telling statistic… Henderson’s pass completion ratio compared to De Bruyne. 88.8% ‘v’ 78.1% in favour of Henderson. But when you look further into it De Bruyne’s goals and assists ratio is far higher, and then look at a pitch map showing where they played.
There’s no getting away from the fact De Bruyne is one of the best in the world, but as you say Henderson is one of the best we have. If 80% fit, I’d put his name on the team sheet.
Bdill93
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Another Grealish link to city... 
Beezerk
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It would be very harsh on Phillips to drop him imo, he's played pretty well. The fact you don't really notice him in a game says a lot, the only things I notice from Henderson are getting into other players space and trying to force the play too much thus giving the ball away cheaply. If anything I'd have Bellingham in the team instead of Phillips, he's definitely the future for England at CM. Nice choices to have though.
