The Footie Thread

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Agreed. Any last shred of credibility the Afcon may have had is now in the bin. Clubs need to start denying their players permission to swan off to it in the middle of the season in my opinion. They pay their wages and they'd be within their rights to do that I'm sure.

A quick google will show you clubs cannot deny a play permission to go represent their country. Plus why should a club hold that power over a player regardless of wages paid, you would see a lot of players start refusing to play for clubs then

"No, clubs generally cannot refuse to release players for international duty if they are called up for matches on the official FIFA international calendar. Under FIFA’s Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players, clubs are mandated to release players. Refusal can result in severe sanctions, including financial penalties, point deductions, or the forfeiture of matches. Exceptions are rare and typically limited to verified medical issues (confirmed by national team doctors) or specific, extraordinary circumstances approved by FIFA"

 

[Orikoru]

A quick google will show you clubs cannot deny a play permission to go represent their country. Plus why should a club hold that power over a player regardless of wages paid, you would see a lot of players start refusing to play for clubs then

"No, clubs generally cannot refuse to release players for international duty if they are called up for matches on the official FIFA international calendar. Under FIFA’s Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players, clubs are mandated to release players. Refusal can result in severe sanctions, including financial penalties, point deductions, or the forfeiture of matches. Exceptions are rare and typically limited to verified medical issues (confirmed by national team doctors) or specific, extraordinary circumstances approved by FIFA"

We all know Fergie did it multiple times back in the day though, with Giggs etc. They hold power as their employer surely? International competition amounts to paid leave?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Looking at the rules the ultimate decision is correct. The issue is, it should have happened at the time, not two months later. The trophy was awarded, medals given, parades happened.

It's utterly hollow for Morocco now, a paper exercise.

As for the rest, AFCON can do what they like. Who the heck are we, European's, to say when and how they have their tournament.

That sums it up for me

The ref should have awarded the game to Morocco there and then after the players walked off

Doing it months later is mental

As for when it’s hosted - that’s up to them , if teams don’t want to lose players during the tournament then don’t buy the best African players


But this tournament was due to be hosted in the summer months , it was changed due to FIFA and their Club World Cup , CAF are looking to host it more during the summer

It is hard to point fingers at them when FIFA decide to award the World Cup to Qatar and Saudi and that’s hosted during the European season

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Agreed. Any last shred of credibility the Afcon may have had is now in the bin. Clubs need to start denying their players permission to swan off to it in the middle of the season in my opinion. They pay their wages and they'd be within their rights to do that I'm sure.

Will that be the same when the World Cup is mid season

Clubs have to release players for any international, if you don’t want to have players going to AFCON then don’t buy African players

Doesn’t matter if they pay their wages

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

We all know Fergie did it multiple times back in the day though, with Giggs etc. They hold power as their employer surely? International competition amounts to paid leave?

There's been a bigger shift in player treatment and contracts since Fergie was all powerful. No club has the right to refuse a player to go nor should they be allowed to. Clubs have a choice when signing African players they don't then get the ability to refuse to let them go. Just like a player shouldn't have the right to refuse to play for his club that pays him, you can't have it one way and not the other.

 

[PaulMdj]

But what about those players and fans that have already celebrated winning it? It's been snatched away for no reason. Then given to a country that didn't win it or deserve it. It's got zero credibility.

Until it's corruption free it should be banned. Any European players that go should have their wages frozen for half of any season they play in it.

There's also no need for it to be every 2 years, which is double any other international tournament. That causes a lot of the drama.

I totally agree, but it’s sanctioned by FIFA (who I don’t trust) and the players want to play in it.

You can’t punish a player for being selected, that is against the rules.

Fact is, if Clubs were that bothered they’d avoid signing players from the CAF area.

I don’t think a Continent that has the Nations League should be dictating to anyone else or had Officials (UEFA) done for corruption.

 

[Swango1980]

We all know Fergie did it multiple times back in the day though, with Giggs etc. They hold power as their employer surely? International competition amounts to paid leave?

Giggs didn't play many friendlies, and Giggs was happy to go along with that. And Wales also were happy enough not to kick up too much of a fuss. Giggs had many hamstring problems in the first half of his career, so in all honesty, it was an arrangement that probably benefitted all parties.

Now, if Fergie banned Giggs from going to major tournaments, or from playing competitive games for Wales when they desperately wanted him, then Fergie would have lost that battle. Giggs would have wanted to represent his country, Wales would have fought for him. I guarantee we'd see Giggs in a Welsh shirt, regardless of what Fergie wanted

 

[PaulMdj]

Thank god there’s no corruption in European Football.

 

[Tashyboy]

Thank god there’s no corruption in European Football.

My lad watched a Programme about corruption in football. Starting with FIFA and working its way down. I never got to see it, but sweet lord the things he was telling me about Blatter, Platini, Jack Warner. Nothing has convinced me it has changed much.
I think part of Citys 115 charges defence is “ if you cannot beat them, join them”

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Thank god there’s no corruption in European Football.

And of course FIFA

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Edit, just reading later posts, is there already a ruling saying Senegal could have been stripped of the title.

According to the BBC this morning, yes there is. Once you have left without the authority of the referee. I assume they just fudged it on the day due to the enormity of the incident.

 

[Orikoru]

Giggs didn't play many friendlies, and Giggs was happy to go along with that. And Wales also were happy enough not to kick up too much of a fuss. Giggs had many hamstring problems in the first half of his career, so in all honesty, it was an arrangement that probably benefitted all parties.

Now, if Fergie banned Giggs from going to major tournaments, or from playing competitive games for Wales when they desperately wanted him, then Fergie would have lost that battle. Giggs would have wanted to represent his country, Wales would have fought for him. I guarantee we'd see Giggs in a Welsh shirt, regardless of what Fergie wanted

Luckily he played for Wales so it wasn't an issue.

 

[irip]

According to the rules of the competition then Senegal had to be expelled from the competition.

The decision should have been made on the day by the officials in attendance (not the referee).

It’s the correct decision made 2 months too late.

Whether the rule should exist is another discussion.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

According to the rules of the competition then Senegal had to be expelled from the competition.

The decision should have been made on the day by the officials in attendance (not the referee).

It’s the correct decision made 2 months too late.

Whether the rule should exist is another discussion.

Think the rule should definitely exist for teams that walk off just because they don’t like a referee decisions

 

[Neilds]

Giggs didn't play many friendlies, and Giggs was happy to go along with that. And Wales also were happy enough not to kick up too much of a fuss. Giggs had many hamstring problems in the first half of his career, so in all honesty, it was an arrangement that probably benefitted all parties.

Now, if Fergie banned Giggs from going to major tournaments, or from playing competitive games for Wales when they desperately wanted him, then Fergie would have lost that battle. Giggs would have wanted to represent his country, Wales would have fought for him. I guarantee we'd see Giggs in a Welsh shirt, regardless of what Fergie wanted

Luckily they all cleared up in time for his club games

 

[irip]

Think the rule should definitely exist for teams that walk off just because they don’t like a referee decisions

I agree.
I think if at the time whoever was the highest placed official had made that decision most would have agreed with it.

To do it so long after the final is the major problem though

 

[Orikoru]

I agree.
I think if at the time whoever was the highest placed official had made that decision most would have agreed with it.

To do it so long after the final is the major problem though

Of course. Imagine if they awarded Germany the 1966 World Cup after goal-line technology was invented. Going back and changing the result two months after the event is a total farce. Even the Morocco players can't be happy with that, they know full well they didn't win. No celebrations - it will feel completely hollow.

 

[Swango1980]

Luckily they all cleared up in time for his club games

They didn't. He missed a significant amount of Man Utd games in the early part of his career. Apparently he almost considered retiring at the age of 27 due to his recurring injuries.

It was well known that he got into yoga in the latter part of his career, which looks to have helped. I also remember hearing that when he bought a new car, he suddenly managed to stay fitter a lot more often. The theory was that his older car was lower down, he travelled long distances, and that didn't help with his hamstring issues.

 

[nickjdavis]

According to the rules of the competition then Senegal had to be expelled from the competition.

The decision should have been made on the day by the officials in attendance (not the referee).

It’s the correct decision made 2 months too late.

Whether the rule should exist is another discussion.

Probably the VAR officials needed a lot of replays of the incident.

 

[irip]

Of course. Imagine if they awarded Germany the 1966 World Cup after goal-line technology was invented. Going back and changing the result two months after the event is a total farce. Even the Morocco players can't be happy with that, they know full well they didn't win. No celebrations - it will feel completely hollow.

I feel for the players and especially the manager, who has since been sacked.

The lad that missed the penalty with the last kick of the game must of been under even more pressure having had to wait around 20 minutes and not even sure if it would of needed to be take, mentally that had to be tough.

The president should have come onto the pitch and made the decision at the time.

Are they going to ask the Senegal players to give the medals back?

If wonder how many wil say they have sent it to cash4gold