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Swango1980 said:
EXACTLY.

I'm simply saying sitting out for a year tells you exactly the sort of guy he is as a footballer.

As you said, money is the most important thing to him, not playing
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Would you leave your job a year early for less pay and throw away day 50k to make it comparable or see out your contract just day dreaming?
 
PJ87 said:
Never said to spite them. That's how your taking it. He shouldn't accept being forced to take a pay cut to leave

Either united let him go for free so the buying club can afford the wages he wants or they cover the shortfall for a year

Not his problem, he has a contract it's United responsibility to honour it.
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What do you mean United let him go for free? How much do you reckon they will be asking for him? Not a lot.

Arthur had already explained to us Sancho is a very good player? If he is that good, what would his normal value be? £50 million? £60 million?

So, if Utd let him go for £20-£40 million, the buying club have plenty of wiggle room to boost his wages. No need for Utd to let him go for free.

That being said. I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go for free, just to get rid of him. He is a waste of space. But, would he go for free? Would a club give him £300,000+ a week if they got him for free?
 
If Sancho doesn’t leave then the manager will need to find a way to get him on the pitch

And if they have no intention of doing that then cancel contract , cut the losses and let him go on a free
 
Swango1980 said:
What do you mean United let him go for free? How much do you reckon they will be asking for him? Not a lot.

Arthur had already explained to us Sancho is a very good player? If he is that good, what would his normal value be? £50 million? £60 million?

So, if Utd let him go for £20-£40 million, the buying club have plenty of wiggle room to boost his wages. No need for Utd to let him go for free.

That being said. I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go for free, just to get rid of him. He is a waste of space. But, would he go for free? Would a club give him £300,000+ a week if they got him for free?
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First 2 seasons Sancho was alright for you guys then ETH fell out with him. Considering he is now gone why can't get get a fresh chance with the new manager?
 
PJ87 said:
First 2 seasons Sancho was alright for you guys then ETH fell out with him. Considering he is now gone why can't get get a fresh chance with the new manager?
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Because his attitude stinks and he's not the sort to roll his sleeves up and get his head down.
He's just far too entitled.
 
Slime said:
Because his attitude stinks and he's not the sort to roll his sleeves up and get his head down.
He's just far too entitled.
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According to whom ? Eth? Terrible manager who failed miserably

Not awful for Chelsea just not willing to pay his wages
 
PJ87 said:
According to whom ? Eth? Terrible manager who failed miserably

Not awful for Chelsea just not willing to pay his wages
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Pep questioned his attitude as well.

But, he is also a terrible manager who failed miserably :)

I like how a compliment for Sancho is "not awful" for Chelsea. Not being awful is not the same as being great.

There appear to have been many reports about his professionalism throughout his career. Easy to ignore by those who just want to use him as a stick to bash United again :ROFLMAO:
 
England U21s get away with one there.

2nd minute stonewall penalty given by the ref but VAR directed him to the monitor and he overturned his own decision.

Defender had his arms behind his body, shot comes in and defender unclasp his hands from behind him, turns away from the ball, his right arm moves away from his body and blocks the ball.

Utterly amazed it was overturned.
 
Arthur Wedge said:
If Sancho doesn’t leave then the manager will need to find a way to get him on the pitch

And if they have no intention of doing that then cancel contract , cut the losses and let him go on a free
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Nope, if Sancho doesn’t leave it’ll be because he’s driven purely by money and has no interest in a longer term football career or of playing in the next World Cup. Amorim will never have him in a United team and why should he? He’s a waster who’s been given every opportunity but made a mess of it. He’s so poor that Chelsea would rather pay £5m to get rid of him!!

You only have to look at Antony to see the clear differences between them. Some moves don’t work out, Antony was always on a loser due to the way United handled his transfer leading to the amount we paid for him. He’s now willing to take a significant pay cut to get a move and play his football against whilst Sancho is happier to sit on his Xbox for another year unless someone matches the wages that he simply doesn’t justify.

I hope Antony’s next move works out, I was pleased to see him do well with Betis. As far as Sancho goes I’d be happy to watch him rot and then see him with very little options at the end of his contract as other clubs will have seen the type of person he is. He’ll not get the contract he thinks he deserves because he’s done nothing to warrant it.
 
road2ruin said:
Nope, if Sancho doesn’t leave it’ll be because he’s driven purely by money and has no interest in a longer term football career or of playing in the next World Cup. Amorim will never have him in a United team and why should he? He’s a waster who’s been given every opportunity but made a mess of it. He’s so poor that Chelsea would rather pay £5m to get rid of him!!

You only have to look at Antony to see the clear differences between them. Some moves don’t work out, Antony was always on a loser due to the way United handled his transfer leading to the amount we paid for him. He’s now willing to take a significant pay cut to get a move and play his football against whilst Sancho is happier to sit on his Xbox for another year unless someone matches the wages that he simply doesn’t justify.

I hope Antony’s next move works out, I was pleased to see him do well with Betis. As far as Sancho goes I’d be happy to watch him rot and then see him with very little options at the end of his contract as other clubs will have seen the type of person he is. He’ll not get the contract he thinks he deserves because he’s done nothing to warrant it.
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I'm sure other clubs already see this.

If Sancho was a very good player, and a good professional, you'd think there would be a queue of clubs willing to snap him up. After all, United desperate to get rid, and at a discounted fee.

Other clubs either feel he is not that good, and/or a liability to sign on a multi year contract.

I hope a club is willing to take the risk. But, at best, a club might take him on loan for his final season, cover a proportion of his wages.

One of the most useless signings Utd have ever had. I even preferred Antony, at least he had some heart
 
road2ruin said:
Nope, if Sancho doesn’t leave it’ll be because he’s driven purely by money and has no interest in a longer term football career or of playing in the next World Cup. Amorim will never have him in a United team and why should he? He’s a waster who’s been given every opportunity but made a mess of it. He’s so poor that Chelsea would rather pay £5m to get rid of him!!

You only have to look at Antony to see the clear differences between them. Some moves don’t work out, Antony was always on a loser due to the way United handled his transfer leading to the amount we paid for him. He’s now willing to take a significant pay cut to get a move and play his football against whilst Sancho is happier to sit on his Xbox for another year unless someone matches the wages that he simply doesn’t justify.

I hope Antony’s next move works out, I was pleased to see him do well with Betis. As far as Sancho goes I’d be happy to watch him rot and then see him with very little options at the end of his contract as other clubs will have seen the type of person he is. He’ll not get the contract he thinks he deserves because he’s done nothing to warrant it.
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If Amorin doesn’t play him then Man Utd will continue to pay someone on high wages doing nothing

I don’t blame the player for not wanting to take any significant pay cut

Antony isn’t on as much as Sancho so the drop to £100k is about a 20% cut

Sancho is on £250-300k

So United can either pay a player £15mil for nothing over the next 12 months and then he leaves when his contract runs out

Or just let him go for free now and save the club £15mil in wages

Sancho is 25/26 - he can sit out the year and then next summer have his destiny in his own hands and his options will be a lot bigger - especially in Germany

Flopping at Man Utd is a common theme these days and if a player can get out quick enough and young enough they can repair their career
 
Arthur Wedge said:
If Amorin doesn’t play him then Man Utd will continue to pay someone on high wages doing nothing

I don’t blame the player for not wanting to take any significant pay cut

Antony isn’t on as much as Sancho so the drop to £100k is about a 20% cut

Sancho is on £250-300k

So United can either pay a player £15mil for nothing over the next 12 months and then he leaves when his contract runs out

Or just let him go for free now and save the club £15mil in wages

Sancho is 25/26 - he can sit out the year and then next summer have his destiny in his own hands and his options will be a lot bigger - especially in Germany

Flopping at Man Utd is a common theme these days and if a player can get out quick enough and young enough they can repair their career
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Why would United play him when he’s useless though? He may well have flopped at us but he hardly set the world alight at Chelsea and they were happy to spend £5m sending him back. That doesn’t reflect well on him and certainly doesn’t look good to any potential buyers.

He should never have been paid £300k a week, that’s on United however if he had any sort of ambition to play football then he’d look at what he can get elsewhere but also balance up the longer term view of trying to succeed and prove United and Chelsea wrong.

If we’re going to pay his wages anyway, should no other deal come about, then I’d rather he spent the next season in the u21’s. Having his attitude in the first team would be far more negative than the waste of money that his wages are costing. Either way I cannot see Amorim accepting him back so I think it’s academic.
 
road2ruin said:
Why would United play him when he’s useless though? He may well have flopped at us but he hardly set the world alight at Chelsea and they were happy to spend £5m sending him back. That doesn’t reflect well on him and certainly doesn’t look good to any potential buyers.

He should never have been paid £300k a week, that’s on United however if he had any sort of ambition to play football then he’d look at what he can get elsewhere but also balance up the longer term view of trying to succeed and prove United and Chelsea wrong.

If we’re going to pay his wages anyway, should no other deal come about, then I’d rather he spent the next season in the u21’s. Having his attitude in the first team would be far more negative than the waste of money that his wages are costing. Either way I cannot see Amorim accepting him back so I think it’s academic.
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Well he isn’t useless

Before he moved to man Utd he was playing week in week out in Germany for one of their top teams as well as starting regularly Internationally - he is just another in a long list of players that have gone to United over the decade and been poor

Chelsea didn’t keep him because they couldn’t agree personal terms with him

You keep saying the onus is on the player - the club put themselves into this position

He doesn’t have to leave , he doesn’t have to take a pay cut and staying the final year at United won’t damage him that much

So United can either pay him off to leave , or pay his wages and not use him and then get nothing for him next summer

Or they can let him go on a free transfer which will remove the burden of the wages

Either way Man Utd are loosing money
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Well he isn’t useless

Before he moved to man Utd he was playing week in week out in Germany for one of their top teams as well as starting regularly Internationally - he is just another in a long list of players that have gone to United over the decade and been

Chelsea didn’t keep him because they couldn’t agree personal terms with him

You keep saying the onus is on the player - the club put themselves into this position

He doesn’t have to leave , he doesn’t have to take a pay cut and staying the final year at United won’t damage him that much

So United can either pay him off to leave , or pay his wages and not use him and then get nothing for him next summer

Or they can let him go on a free transfer which will remove the burden of the wages

Either way Man Utd are loosing money
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They didn’t agree terms because he’s not worth anything near what we are stupidly paying him. He may not be useless but he’s an average Premier League footballer whose got ideas above his station.

We are going to lose money on him, no doubt and I’m still hopeful he or his advisors see sense and can accept an offer from Juve or Napoli but should that not happen I’d rather we lost money whilst he rots in the reserves.

For me, when you factor in transfer fee, wages, players attitude and ability he’s probably the worst transfer we’ve made in the last decade and that saying something as there’s some pretty stiff competition up there.
 
road2ruin said:
They didn’t agree terms because he’s not worth anything near what we are stupidly paying him. He may not be useless but he’s an average Premier League footballer whose got ideas above his station.

We are going to lose money on him, no doubt and I’m still hopeful he or his advisors see sense and can accept an offer from Juve or Napoli but should that not happen I’d rather we lost money whilst he rots in the reserves.

For me, when you factor in transfer fee, wages, players attitude and ability he’s probably the worst transfer we’ve made in the last decade and that saying something as there’s some pretty stiff competition up there.
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And the club spent a long time chasing him , offered the silly money to get him to sign for the club

He isn’t as bad as suggested and his career was doing well until he moved to United - his first season wasn’t all that bad - played just under 40 games but a lot of times as a right winger where as he was more at home on the opposite cutting inside - was just the wrong move for him but when a club offers you £300k a week it’s hard to say no
 
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