The Footie Thread

[Lord Tyrion]

Do most non Chelsea/City fans want one of them to win the Champions League just because they're English?
If so, why?
Never have done and probably never will.

Least - Real are just horrible, I don't want them any where near the final
3rd Chelsea, no thanks. I can still see John Terry there
2nd PSG, take out Neymar and they don't offend me at all. Good to see an alternative to the regulars
1st, City. Quite happy for City to win. Growing up in the NW I know the pain the fans have gone through. They still have their sense of doom and expectation it will end tomorrow, it is endearing . They also play fabulous football and the improvements the owners have done in the area can only be admired.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Do most non Chelsea/City fans want one of them to win the Champions League just because they're English?
If so, why?
Never have done and probably never will.

I can’t understand anyone wanting a foreign team to beat an English side, we see in every sport how other nationalities take delight in beating “the English”

If you’re in direct competition, ie, still in the comp, then yes it’s fully understandible, but some of the reasons they don’t want English teams to do well are petty and childish.

Finally, got family, very good friends and decent people on here who support other teams, why wouldn’t I want them to see them happy?

Hopefully see a Utd/Arsenal EL Final as well.

If it is all English finals, that’s enough for me and don’t care who wins on the night.

 

[Beezerk]

I can’t understand anyone wanting a foreign team to beat an English side, we see in every sport how other nationalities take delight in beating “the English”

If you’re in direct competition, ie, still in the comp, then yes it’s fully understandible, but some of the reasons they don’t want English teams to do well are petty and childish.

Finally, got family, very good friends and decent people on here who support other teams, why wouldn’t I want them to see them happy?

Hopefully see a Utd/Arsenal EL Final as well.

If it is all English finals, that’s enough for me and don’t care who wins on the night.

 

[Orikoru]

I think supporting English sides because they're English has died out, because they're not actually English anymore are they, really? City actually have more English first teamers than is typical nowadays, in Stones, Walker, Sterling and Foden I guess. But Chelsea only have 2 or 3, Liverpool again 2 or 3, Arsenal even less than that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I had the horrible invidious position of wanting PSG to win out of the 4 of them, its more a case of who I want to win it the least, rather than wanting any of them to win it.

Least - City - oil billionaire plaything, and another English team that would have won it.
2nd least - Chelsea - as above, but they would then be able to gloat over Villa fans., but still not Forest fans
3rd least - Madrid - in real terms backed by Spanish government/local council, and would have gone even further away from us in terms of wins. They also get away with murder with refs in Spain, and sometimes Europe also.
4th least - as per 1 and 2, but THE biggest load of whinging, crying, screaming footballers anywhere, who are first in the refs face when you do a tackle on them.

Sums it up - I guess it also comes down to who you support as well - these teams are the main competition and we have faced them both in Europe and the Prem regularly- winning some and losing some so that rivalry grows as the main rivals so I don’t think any fan from those top teams will want to see any of the others win any big comps

If you are fan of the clubs who don’t compete against those sides in Europe as well as Prem and don’t have the direct competition for the title or CL then you may not get that rivalry

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think supporting English sides because they're English has died out, because they're not actually English anymore are they, really? City actually have more English first teamers than is typical nowadays, in Stones, Walker, Sterling and Foden I guess. But Chelsea only have 2 or 3, Liverpool again 2 or 3, Arsenal even less than that.

English Club.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sums it up - I guess it also comes down to who you support as well - these teams are the main competition and we have faced them both in Europe and the Prem regularly- winning some and losing some so that rivalry grows as the main rivals so I don’t think any fan from those top teams will want to see any of the others win any big comps

If you are fan of the clubs who don’t compete against those sides in Europe as well as Prem and don’t have the direct competition for the title or CL then you may not get that rivalry

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[clubchamp98]

Do most non Chelsea/City fans want one of them to win the Champions League just because they're English?
If so, why?
Never have done and probably never will.

Not really ! but I have to say they were the better teams in the first legs.
PSG are a nasty bunch when they are not winning, same for Real.
So with no real interest I do think City are the best team .

 

[fundy]

I think supporting English sides because they're English has died out, because they're not actually English anymore are they, really? City actually have more English first teamers than is typical nowadays, in Stones, Walker, Sterling and Foden I guess. But Chelsea only have 2 or 3, Liverpool again 2 or 3, Arsenal even less than that.

Arsenal could have 5 English starting tonight!

 

[Liverbirdie]

I can’t understand anyone wanting a foreign team to beat an English side, we see in every sport how other nationalities take delight in beating “the English”

If you’re in direct competition, ie, still in the comp, then yes it’s fully understandible, but some of the reasons they don’t want English teams to do well are petty and childish.

Finally, got family, very good friends and decent people on here who support other teams, why wouldn’t I want them to see them happy?

Hopefully see a Utd/Arsenal EL Final as well.

If it is all English finals, that’s enough for me and don’t care who wins on the night.

Why is it petty and childish?

Football is tribal, and although that doesnt excuse some of the extreme stuff said and done under that banner, it's what your typical Englishman is about.

North vs South

Underdog vs favourite

A lot hate the other countries in the Union (I dont), and what was the old saying about putting x amount of Englishmen in a room and they will hate each other?

Maybe its just being English?

 

[DanFST]

Why is it petty and childish?

Football is tribal

Exactly, but the English league vs the rest.

 

[IanM]

I support a team in the non-league, so have no direct axe to grind.

But if we get 4 Premier League Teams in the 2 Finals, it'll really wind up the UEFA Folk ...so that has to be a good thing! Not to mention the old angry persons from other parts of "these islands!"

It'll be even nicer to see a few Englishmen on the pitch too... but not expecting too many these days!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Exactly, but the English league vs the rest.

Nah don’t understand that - no one supports the “English league” - there are some European teams that i would prefer to see win the CL than another English team - Dortmund, Ajax , Ac Milan etc . Quite happy to see any other English club lose in Europe - just as I would expect fans of English clubs in Europe to be happy to see Liverpool lose - suspect the Mancs , Chelsea fans etc enjoyed watching Liverpool get knocked out by Real Madrid

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why is it petty and childish?

Football is tribal, and although that doesnt excuse some of the extreme stuff said and done under that banner, it's what your typical Englishman is about.

North vs South

Underdog vs favourite

A lot hate the other countries in the Union (I dont), and what was the old saying about putting x amount of Englishmen in a room and they will hate each other?

Maybe its just being English?

I said “some” Pete, “some”

 

[clubchamp98]

I have a few friends who are City fans and would be happy for them to win.
Let’s not forget City can be really nasty as well ( Fernandinho) when their not winning.
But am not really bothered who wins.
Just hope the best football team wins , for me that’s City.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Exactly, but the English league vs the rest.

Ok, let me ask you this, as you are one of the more sensible 'ammers.

If your team is given so much stick by Everton, Man U, Chelsea, City (for the vast majority of their fans), plus others with a beef, why should I support them teams?

The other reason is a selfish one - I want my club to be the best, so hated it when man U won 19 leagues, and I also dont like it when other English teams win it, especially when supposed world giants like Chelsea and City arent mentioned in the same breath as Villa and forest - Love it. Most fans/players hate it when someone beats one of their records, and we are no different.

Football tribalism, banter and arguing/discussing is great (when sensible), and we all have our angles and arguments.

If you want English teams to win, no problem, but I was brought up on the more tribal aspect and although I have vastly improved on my biased opinions and outlooks over the years, a good bit is still there.

Again, not saying all, but wonder if some who are less tribal go the game often - I know where this ones gonna go......

Edit: I would expect 80-90% of Chelsea, Spurs and Gooners fans to not want West Ham to do well in Europe and in the main prefer a northern team to win it, if they must, although for some man u and Liverpool are still the bigger hatred.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I said “some” Pete, “some”

Anyway, you started it!!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ok, let me ask you this, as you are one of the more sensible 'ammers.

If your team is given so much stick by Everton, Man U, Chelsea, City (for the vast majority of their fans), plus others with a beef, why should I support them teams?

The other reason is a selfish one - I want my club to be the best, so hated it when man U won 19 leagues, and I also dont like it when other English teams win it, especially when supposed world giants like Chelsea and City arent mentioned in the same breath as Villa and forest - Love it. Most fans/players hate it when someone beats one of their records, and we are no different.

Football tribalism, banter and arguing/discussing is great (when sensible), and we all have our angles and arguments.

If you want English teams to win, no problem, but I was brought up on the more tribal aspect and although I have vastly improved on my biased opinions and outlooks over the years, a good bit is still there.

Again, not saying all, but wonder if some who are less tribal go the game often - I know where this ones gonna go......

Big difference between supporting a particular team and wanting any English team to win a Comp.

Happily see Lpool get relegated or even better see them go out of business, but before that happens I’d have no issue with you winning every European Cup they enter, apart from a miracle year when we qualify fo one.

Clubs should be rightly proud of their past but we live in the here and now, and why would a Lpool fan care if Forest or Villa won the European Cup in the past or if a current non-rival won it in the future?

I don’t see how “Football tribalism, banter and arguing/discussing is great (when sensible), and we all have our angles and arguments.” changes just because an English Club wins a European Comp? If anything it adds to it.

As for the last paragraph, that gets shot down in flames as soon as LP comments on the subject.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Big difference between supporting a particular team and wanting any English team to win a Comp.

Happily see Lpool get relegated or even better see them go out of business, but before that happens I’d have no issue with you winning every European Cup they enter, apart from a miracle year when we qualify fo one.

Clubs should be rightly proud of their past but we live in the here and now, and why would a Lpool fan care if Forest or Villa won the European Cup in the past or if a current non-rival won it in the future?

I don’t see how “Football tribalism, banter and arguing/discussing is great (when sensible), and we all have our angles and arguments.” changes just because an English Club wins a European Comp? If anything it adds to it.

As for the last paragraph, that gets shot down in flames as soon as LP comments on the subject.

Ok, so what do you think Liverpool and Man U fans use as ammo when "who is the most successful club" is the argument?

No you scouse rabscallions are the best.

I beg to differ, my mill owning friend, Manchester United, (for that be their name) are surely the top trumps.........

Get real. Its why this is probably the longest thread on the forum.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ok, so what do you think Liverpool and Man U fans use as ammo when "who is the most successful club" is the argument?

No you scouse rabscallions are the best.

I beg to differ, my mill owning friend, Manchester United, (for that be their name) are surely the top trumps.........

Get real. Its why this is probably the longest thread on the forum.

Steady on, were I have said ALL Man Utd fans shouldn’t hate Lpool or vice versa? Granted you have a rivalry as the biggest 2 Clubs, but it’s you who mentioned City, Villa, Forest, West Ham etc, you don’t have anywhere near the history with those Clubs so why have the same attitude towards them?

Also confused over this word hate! To quote LP “Let’s be honest - “universally hated”? Seriously - it’s a football team at the end of the day and millions support it just like millions don’t . If someone wants to “hate” a football club that for me shows more about their own mentality than anything else and a lot of times it comes from people who try and think up these rivalries.”