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pauldj42 said:
Whilst I agree some fans of some Clubs may feel that way, but I don’t think the majority do, if the FA folded and allowed them to play in both the PL and Super League they may keep some fans.

In all honesty LPool fans really only care about Man Utd as rivals out the “Big 6” I can’t see them suddenly finding the same passion for the rest or even those from Europe if they are playing them every season.
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I was only talking about Germany Where the fans generally control 51% of a club therefor stopping things happen.

As to rivalries, maybe it won’t spark intense rivalries, but lots of people like to support the best team or claim they do at least.
this would give them fans a chance to claim it.

whilst I’m against it. Sky et all complaining is the highest level of hypocrisy!
 
Papas1982 said:
I was only talking about Germany Where the fans generally control 51% of a club therefor stopping things happen.

As to rivalries, maybe it won’t spark intense rivalries, but lots of people like to support the best team or claim they do at least.
this would give them fans a chance to claim it.

whilst I’m against it. Sky et all complaining is the highest level of hypocrisy!
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Yeah it really shows you what a mockery football has become if UEFA, the FA and Sky are now the good guys??
 
Papas1982 said:
I was only talking about Germany Where the fans generally control 51% of a club therefor stopping things happen.

As to rivalries, maybe it won’t spark intense rivalries, but lots of people like to support the best team or claim they do at least.
this would give them fans a chance to claim it.

whilst I’m against it. Sky et all complaining is the highest level of hypocrisy!
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Be interesting to see how this impacts on the SKY and BT contracts. The Premier league value could be severely reduced, more so if clubs leave but even if they remain, the Super League would be promoting itself as a superior football product to international audiences and potentially reduce the global value of the Premier League rights. You then have the Champions League contract that could effectively become worthless over night.
 
Bdill93 said:
Actually read what I wrote. I dont care about their history, they arent my club. Their fans loss, not mine. The clubs want out because theyre so big these days - so be it.

The players literally have no say in the current going on, they're contracted to any of the teams in question. Go to work and get paid. Thats it. They havent individually decided to jump ship, their owners have.

Clearly paul understood my point as per below - the players need the choice, but as of yet, they've made no decisions themselves and therefore deserve no punishment.

I also state (yet) showing that if they do decide to jump ship too, then by all means give them a giant boot in the right direction.

Sort yourself out, simple lad.

Its not them making the decision - why punish players? Its the greedy club owners that need punishment.
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So your just as selfish as the owners then?

Its not my club, so dont care. what if a player isnt at one of them clubs now but chooses to go to them once £20 m is dangled in front of them.

So what is your very inconsitsent point then?

Football doesnt need fans like you, it deserves ones without a narrow-minded mindset, ones who actually think past just their own club and for the greater good. Yes there are tonnes of the selfish ones about, but lets hope this lessens on the fight ahead.

All clubs need to survive, whether CL ones or conference ones and none should be given up on, especially when the decision is by a few owners/directors, and not by the millions of fans who support that club and who are dead against it.
 
Arsenal's president, Stan Kroenke, doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. He believes that when the Super League starts, fans around the world will gather together and thank the founders for this 'wonderful idea'.


If anything sums it up its this :(
 
Liverbirdie said:
So your just as selfish as the owners then?

Its not my club, so dont care. what if a player isnt at one of them clubs now but chooses to go to them once £20 m is dangled in front of them.

So what is your very inconsitsent point then?

Football doesnt need fans like you, it deserves ones without a narrow-minded mindset, ones who actually think past just their own club and for the greater good. Yes there are tonnes of the selfish ones about, but lets hope this lessens on the fight ahead.

All clubs need to survive, whether CL ones or conference ones and none should be given up on, especially when the decision is by a few owners/directors, and not by the millions of fans who support that club and who are dead against it.
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Then so be it - but the player loses their right for international football and other competitions. Its no different to Oscar moving from Chelsea to Shanghai - for the player, more money, rubbish competition and wont get selected for Brazil playing there. But hes happy earning buckets of cash.

I'm a home and away supporter of my club. I donated heavily to help save Bury, I own shares of a team up north too (fan owned). Thats exactly the fan any club wants. Ive travelled the country, put money into local economies and enjoy everything about English football. The "big 6" are trying to destroy our beautiful game, not me.

My views that the players (of the big 6 currently) arent yet responsible are not inconsistent. They've not had their say yet although I doubt many will speak publicly due to fear of losing money from their employer.

The 6 clubs need a strong hard boot out of the EFL/ Premier league. They have lost all my respect and deserve to fail.
 
Seems a bit of deja vu about this. First we had the proposed breakaway golf tour. Now we have the super league. The one common factor money.
 
fundy said:
Arsenal's president, Stan Kroenke, doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. He believes that when the Super League starts, fans around the world will gather together and thank the founders for this 'wonderful idea'.


If anything sums it up its this :(
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Well they might do, it just won't be the real fans of the clubs involved. Owners think of fans as walking dollar signs, so he means the "fans" in China, Qatar, etc. Actual fans will be left behind and the chairmen won't care a jot.
 
Fact remains that money is the guiding factor in football. Being the best costs the most.

The clubs belong to the owners. They decide what direction the club takes. The fans can think they have a voice but in all honesty, they don't. The owners will try and make as much mobney from their investment as they possibly can and they all see this as an opportunity to do so. The 'soul' of the club is irrelevant when they can make a stack of cash
 
Orikoru said:
Well they might do, it just won't be the real fans of the clubs involved. Owners think of fans as walking dollar signs, so he means the "fans" in China, Qatar, etc. Actual fans will be left behind and the chairmen won't care a jot.
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There will be games played in those sorts of countries.....just wait.
 
Well my lad's a staunch Arsenal fan and he's disgusted by the greed that this epitomises - if this goes ahead he reckons he'll probably dump Arsenal and focus on Pompey (when he was much younger we used to go down to Fratton quite often) - and Sheffield Utd (his local city club).

I have little interest in the EPL and so shrug - as this is just the almost corrupt sort of place that obsession with money and 'market forces' takes us.
 
Apart from the greed for money, imo, Sky and the PL did not risk breaking up the 1st Division, didn’t look to form a break away league and risk the whole of the game going down the pan.

They are not innocent, not at all, haven’t been good for large parts of the game, but what they didn’t do is risk the whole sport and change the game forever!
 
Football has been broken for a few years but with the money involved being chucked around on mediocre players and not put back into the grassroots, VAR and now this, it's all going down the swany.
 
Boris Johnson now getting involved and commenting that he'll work with football authorities to block this - and apparently the government could put the kibosh on UK clubs involvement (don't know how) and so it becomes political...and I suppose we cannot comment on his involvement. Which is a good thing.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Boris Johnson now getting involved and commenting that he'll work with football authorities to block this - and apparently the government could put the kibosh on UK clubs involvement (don't know how) and so it becomes political...and I suppose we cannot comment on his involvement.
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Sky were saying that other sports have been taken to the European Court when doing a similar set up and one one in the court and one lost. It was about any team not having the chance to participate therefore unfair competition. I guess the UK would not be party to the European Court decision though, but Spain and Italy (and maybe others) would.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
I am not a big football follower now, but this proposed Super league does sadden me.
I am reading Jimmy Greaves's book at this very moment, ( and he is so right), and in my lifetime from a young man to an old man , football and all that is good and exciting about it as a fan, has almost disintegrated. And now this.!

I would like to see the players of these six clubs make it known they won't play in this super league.
It may be said they are legally bound to play for the Club they signed up to.
But a good lawyer for them could and would argue that they signed up to play for the Club within the framework and auspices of that Clubs governing bodies, which at the time were the Football League and Football Association, including Eufa and Fifa.
That they would be playing with all the benefits and obligations to those parent organisations is what was the basis of their signing, and if those Bodies reject their Club on the basis of their Club unilaterally leaving or being expelled from those organisations, then those clubs should not be able to legally force those players to go along with them.
The players could legally claim they are free to leave the contracts and become free agents .
Some top British players have a very important decision to make.
The possibility of becoming pariahs to their fans, and burning bridges
doesn't adequately describe their situation if this league goes ahead and the impasse remains.
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Totally agree with you .
But it would be nice to see all those with their noses in the trough at EUFA and Fifa get their just desserts.
Football stopped worrying what the fans think long ago.
 
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