The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

Another stupid part of the financial rules. How can Garnacho be 'homegrown' when he has only been at Man Utd for less than 5 years?

Eric Dier never counted as homegrown for Spurs even though he was born in Cheltenham and played for England.

 

[Swango1980]

Presumably something to do with his age when he signed - 15, I think.

Might have just turned 16 when he joined the Academy, and then signed his first professional contract 9 months later (though still played for youth sides after that)

I guess they need to draw the line somewhere when defining "home grown". I'm sure kids play for all sorts of teams when they are growing up, from very young ages.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Eric Dier never counted as homegrown for Spurs even though he was born in Cheltenham and played for England.

Where as fabregas was home grown lol

I know Summerville arrived 6 months too late to Leeds otherwise he would be homegrown... But then his pricetag would have risen

 

[Orikoru]

Where as fabregas was home grown lol

I know Summerville arrived 6 months too late to Leeds otherwise he would be homegrown... But then his pricetag would have risen

Yeah, I think the homegrown rules have done more harm than good. How much young English talent has been snapped up by the big clubs for inflated prices, only for them to sit on the bench as their career disappears?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yeah, I think the homegrown rules have done more harm than good. How much young English talent has been snapped up by the big clubs for inflated prices, only for them to sit on the bench as their career disappears?

The Chelski effect

 

[Billysboots]

Eric Dier never counted as homegrown for Spurs even though he was born in Cheltenham and played for England.

Possibly because he grew up abroad, started his adult playing career abroad, and didn’t sign for Spurs until he was 20?

 

[Orikoru]

Possibly because he grew up abroad, started his adult playing career abroad, and didn’t sign for Spurs until he was 20?

Yeah, I know. The homegrown rule was two-fold at the time, you needed 8 that were home grown just in England, 4 of which had to be at your club. (Don't know if it's still the same now, I don't keep track of these things.) It was just amusing that an English player didn't qualify for either criteria because he buggered off to Portugal as a kid. And then you've got someone like Garnacho who does qualify.

 

[Billysboots]

Yeah, I know. The homegrown rule was two-fold at the time, you needed 8 that were home grown just in England, 4 of which had to be at your club. (Don't know if it's still the same now, I don't keep track of these things.) It was just amusing that an English player didn't qualify for either criteria because he buggered off to Portugal as a kid. And then you've got someone like Garnacho who does qualify.

I think you may be confusing the old homegrown rule relating to player quotas for European competition, and the rule relating to PSR. I suspect the two may be different.

 

[Orikoru]

I think you may be confusing the old homegrown rule relating to player quotas for European competition, and the rule relating to PSR. I suspect the two may be different.

Yeah, it might have been the reason we were only allowed to name 22 players in our Europa squad or something like! Just an amusing anecdote on 'home grown' actually means anyway.

 

[Swango1980]

Yeah, I think the homegrown rules have done more harm than good. How much young English talent has been snapped up by the big clubs for inflated prices, only for them to sit on the bench as their career disappears?

I'd have thought the biggest clubs would have always tried to hoover up the young talent anyway?

Is the real issue for homegrown players not more down to the fact that Premier League clubs will ultimately buy significantly more established players from abroad, thus reducing the slots available for the youngsters to get into? I'd then suspect the biggest problem might be to those players who are in the middle ground, not good enough to make the first team but not bad enough to completely let go (or even send on loan). So, due to the number of games clubs play, clubs tend to hold onto more of their squad players than they used to (and are squads now a lot bigger than decades ago?)

With FFP, you'd almost think that PL clubs are more likely to let the homegrown players go more readily, just to cash in. If those rules were not there, would there be less incentive for the clubs to let them go, and they may end up rotting on the bench even longer?

 

[Orikoru]

I'd have thought the biggest clubs would have always tried to hoover up the young talent anyway?

Is the real issue for homegrown players not more down to the fact that Premier League clubs will ultimately buy significantly more established players from abroad, thus reducing the slots available for the youngsters to get into? I'd then suspect the biggest problem might be to those players who are in the middle ground, not good enough to make the first team but not bad enough to completely let go (or even send on loan). So, due to the number of games clubs play, clubs tend to hold onto more of their squad players than they used to (and are squads now a lot bigger than decades ago?)

With FFP, you'd almost think that PL clubs are more likely to let the homegrown players go more readily, just to cash in. If those rules were not there, would there be less incentive for the clubs to let them go, and they may end up rotting on the bench even longer?

My point was they bought young English players just to fill up the homegrown slots and had no intention of giving them a decent number of minutes. So instead of getting regular games at a mid-table side, they sit on the bench at Chelsea or Man City.

 

[Swango1980]

My point was they bought young English players just to fill up the homegrown slots and had no intention of giving them a decent number of minutes. So instead of getting regular games at a mid-table side, they sit on the bench at Chelsea or Man City.

Maybe. But, if Premier League squad sizes remain the same, then inevitably there will be players of some sort not getting a decent amount of minutes? Would the PL clubs be more likely to buy more established players from around the world to warm the bench, or continue to invest in youngsters? I suppose they could look to just bring in cheap 19/20 year olds from around the world, who are already a senior pro, and pay less attention to trying to bring in English youth players, unless they look like they have huge potential.

 

[3 jabber]

Joey Barton in court for kicking his wife in the head. He is absolute pond life, don't know why any of the media outlets give him any airtime.

 

[Aztecs27]

Joey Barton in court for kicking his wife in the head. He is absolute pond life, don't know why any of the media outlets give him any airtime.

Always the ones you least expect

 

[RichA]

Laughing at @Aztecs27 not domestic violence, for clarification

 

[garyinderry]

Shocker red card in the arsenal match.

 

[Slime]

Shocker red card in the arsenal match.

So I've heard, looking forward to seeing it later.
Arteta will be incandescant with rage, looking forward to seeing his interview, too!

 

[Pin-seeker]

Laughing at @Aztecs27 not domestic violence, for clarification

Same.
Actually did make me laugh out loud

 

[garyinderry]

So I've heard, looking forward to seeing it later.
Arteta will be incandescant with rage, looking forward to seeing his interview, too!

Cynical foul on the edge of the box to stop a break out. He's put a foot in. Catches the fella a sore one right enough but it's never a straight red card.

 

[Bdill93]

Wtf is happening Forest Fans??