The Footie Thread

[Arthur Wedge]

Problem with removing the blackout now is that the broadcasters make so much money from showing particular matches I think they’d be the biggest supporters of keeping it.

“We tell you what you can watch and when you can watch it”… legally of course.

If every game was on the tele, what would be the point in anything other than a 15:00 Saturday kick off time?

For me also if they remove the blackout then the media companies could then potentially charge even more - and you could end up with what happens in Spain where the top clubs can negotiate their own deals

 

[PaulMdj]

Hopefully as more arrests happen it will start to stop

The poverty chants already started in the Man Utd Everton match as well

Too many just laugh it off

Probably because every fan base has idiots and it’ll never stop.

Far too tribal.

 

[Orikoru]

Some great ties

FA Cup third-round draw in full​

Tamworth v Tottenham

I wonder what odds I can get on us smashing Newcastle 4-1 the week before we go and lose this game to Tamworth.

 

[Swango1980]

Problem with removing the blackout now is that the broadcasters make so much money from showing particular matches I think they’d be the biggest supporters of keeping it.

“We tell you what you can watch and when you can watch it”… legally of course.

If every game was on the tele, what would be the point in anything other than a 15:00 Saturday kick off time?

Because all the TV games would clash? The media companies would rather the matches don't conflict, so people spend more hours in front of the TV watching games. Its why all the televised games are at different times during the week, and not all 4/5 of them kicking off at 4pm on a Sunday.

I can see a point in which all Premier League games kick off at different times over the weekend, so theoretically you could sit down and watch every single one. Maybe 1 on a Friday, 4 Saturday, 4 Sunday and 1 Monday. Saturday and Sunday kick offs around 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Probably because every fan base has idiots and it’ll never stop.

Far too tribal.

Let’s hope as more get arrested and prosecuted it will start to make them think

 

[Swango1980]

Potential banana skin for Man Utd in the 3rd round of the FA Cup...

 

[Bdill93]

UK football needs to move to a gamepass model.

We could even include the EFL in the deal.

1 fixed price to watch your teams fixtures another fixed price to watch every fixture in the league.

Games condensed to 15 minute bite size condensed games to watch afterwards.

Monthly subscription or season by season.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

UK football needs to move to a gamepass model.

We could even include the EFL in the deal.

1 fixed price to watch your teams fixtures another fixed price to watch every fixture in the league.

Games condensed to 15 minute bite size condensed games to watch afterwards.

Monthly subscription or season by season.

That’s the first step to the model that Spain have got and then the big clubs with the bigger fanbase get more money

Who does that favour in the end

 

[Bdill93]

That’s the first step to the model that Spain have got and then the big clubs with the bigger fanbase get more money

Who does that favour in the end

The NFL have a collective agreement - all funds are shared equally.

The PL would have to do the same, and could push a percentage of their overall uptake to EFL and non-league funding.

If we got an independent football regulator then this would be a great solution.

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863880362092306793

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The NFL have a collective agreement - all funds are shared equally.

The PL would have to do the same, and could push a percentage of their overall uptake to EFL and non-league funding.

If we got an independent football regulator then this would be a great solution.

Well an independent regulator is needed for a lot of things

I think the media package we get in the UK right now is ok , we get to see a lot of clubs and a fair spread of games

 

[Morfeen75]

UK football needs to move to a gamepass model.

We could even include the EFL in the deal.

1 fixed price to watch your teams fixtures another fixed price to watch every fixture in the league.

Games condensed to 15 minute bite size condensed games to watch afterwards.

Monthly subscription or season by season.

I'm not sure Sky would agree with this unless they had total control and that would come at an eye watering cost.

I was chatting to one of the guys in my team who goes to West Ham and he said the club have increased general admission ticket prices to £85-120 depending on game/seating area that seems an awful lot of money. Manchester United have increased prices too.

I sense these clubs are now starting to market football differently and theyre aiming for the occasional fan instead of the regular/season card holders every week.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'm not sure Sky would agree with this unless they had total control and that would come at an eye watering cost.

I was chatting to one of the guys in my team who goes to West Ham and he said the club have increased general admission ticket prices to £85-120 depending on game/seating area that seems an awful lot of money. Manchester United have increased prices too.

I sense these clubs are now starting to market football differently and theyre aiming for the occasional fan instead of the regular/season card holders every week.

That’s why there were multiple protests at the weekend from many of the Prem clubs

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm not sure Sky would agree with this unless they had total control and that would come at an eye watering cost.

I was chatting to one of the guys in my team who goes to West Ham and he said the club have increased general admission ticket prices to £85-120 depending on game/seating area that seems an awful lot of money. Manchester United have increased prices too.

I sense these clubs are now starting to market football differently and theyre aiming for the occasional fan instead of the regular/season card holders every week.

The occasional fan will make an event of the day. Spend money in the club shop, buy food and drink in the ground. The season ticket holder doesn't do that every game. The likes of Man Utd and Liverpool make a serious amount of money from these occasional and one off fans. They got wise to this as a money maker some time ago. You can't blame them, they are businesses.

 

[Don Barzini]

Man charged and eight arrested on suspicion of tragedy chanting during Liverpool vs Manchester City

19-year-old man charged with tragedy chanting during Sundays Premier League match between Liverpool and Manchester City at Anfield; Eight other men were also arrested on suspicion of the same offence

www.skysports.com

Just seen this article and very pleased to see something being done. However, The biggest policing of all idiot chanting - be it tragedy, poverty, homophobic or racist chants - needs to be done by fellow fans.

People (from all fan bases) still think it’s acceptable to sing songs like this and it needs to stop. Singing songs about your own team, great fun. Belittling (at best) others needs to stop.

No problem with stamping out stuff like tragedy, racist and homophobic chanting at football matches.

But by "poverty" chants, are you referring to the "Sign on, sign on" song that people sometimes sing at Scousers? If so, isn't this type of thing more to do with taking the mick out of their anthem, rather than actually taking the mick out of people in poverty? It's been sung for so long, isn't it just worth a bit of an eyeroll and seen as water off a duck's back?

 

[Aztecs27]

Man charged and eight arrested on suspicion of tragedy chanting during Liverpool vs Manchester City

19-year-old man charged with tragedy chanting during Sundays Premier League match between Liverpool and Manchester City at Anfield; Eight other men were also arrested on suspicion of the same offence

www.skysports.com

Just seen this article and very pleased to see something being done. However, The biggest policing of all idiot chanting - be it tragedy, poverty, homophobic or racist chants - needs to be done by fellow fans.

People (from all fan bases) still think it’s acceptable to sing songs like this and it needs to stop. Singing songs about your own team, great fun. Belittling (at best) others needs to stop.

Pleased to see this...but what annoys me (as an example) is when Liverpool fans (rightly) complain about idiots chanting about Hillsborough....only to then start chanting "scabs! scabs! scabs!" in the next breath.

You can't have it both ways, and the sooner this stuff is gone from football, the better.

 

[Aztecs27]

As for City vs Forest tomorrow...Literally no clue what will happen, but I see that Michael Oliver's been given the nod, so I'm sure he'll try his best to give City a chance to get something from the game

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No problem with stamping out stuff like tragedy, racist and homophobic chanting at football matches.

But by "poverty" chants, are you referring to the "Sign on, sign on" song that people sometimes sing at Scousers? If so, isn't this type of thing more to do with taking the mick out of their anthem, rather than actually taking the mick out of people in poverty? It's been sung for so long, isn't it just worth a bit of an eyeroll and seen as water off a duck's back?

It’s more about the “feed the scousers” etc that gets sung around those time

And the sign on is all about the unemployment that was “generic” thrown around towards people from Liverpool

Just because it’s been sung for a long time doesn’t mean it’s right or can’t be stamped out now

 

[hairball_89]

Pleased to see this...but what annoys me (as an example) is when Liverpool fans (rightly) complain about idiots chanting about Hillsborough....only to then start chanting "scabs! scabs! scabs!" in the next breath.

You can't have it both ways, and the sooner this stuff is gone from football, the better.

100% agree with you. And this is why I mentioned it has to be stamped out by fellow fans. it wasn't too long ago that 2 reds were arrested and charged for "aeroplane gestures" at a United game. they got everything they deserved.

to @Don Barzini 's point - yes and no. I appreciate it's taking the piss and baiting rather than attacking a marginalised section of society or tragedies, but I'm not really sure that laughing at starving kids is that funny. And most of the time the chants come from higher rates of poverty (in this case) than Liverpool.

My personal view - go to the game and sing songs about your own team, your players, your manager. I don't understand going to a game at singing about your rivals. Do that and you stick all the issues above firmly in the bin!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Pleased to see this...but what annoys me (as an example) is when Liverpool fans (rightly) complain about idiots chanting about Hillsborough....only to then start chanting "scabs! scabs! scabs!" in the next breath.

You can't have it both ways, and the sooner this stuff is gone from football, the better.

Hence why it should be all fans that need to stop with the chants and remove the “whataboutary” and get rid of the thin justification that some use