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The Footie Thread

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Stuart_C said:
We played well today, controlled the game in the 1st half and won it in the 2nd.

Salah showed why he’s our best player by a distance.
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Mane is really off the boil this year so far.. whats going on there!? He was class for you the past 2 years, but this year its the Salah show!
 
Orikoru said:
It's impossible for us to say whether Jose has instructed that change or whether it's Kane himself evolving his game more as his partnership with Son has developed over 5 years.

I think Kane is kind of 50-50 about it. He keeps saying he definitely wants to win trophies, but I think he is desperate for Spurs to meet him in the middle on that as I don't think he wants to leave us. I think he would do so begrudgingly if it finally looks like it's not going to happen and he's 28, 29 and it will be his last chance to join a bigger club. The real interesting question for me is, we're in the League Cup final this season, probably won't win it but if we did, would he consider us being on track then as we'd won a trophy? Or would he just not count that one as so many fans seem not to.

Someone used Shearer as a great comparison, didn't win anything with Newcastle but was happy to stay there and be the driving force at his boyhood team. Although he did win the league with Blackburn before all that. Le Tisser also a fantastic player who was happier being the focal point of his favourite team than going elsewhere to win trophies. How many modern players are like this though? Kane's attitude has always been so fiercely competitive that I do feel he'll leave in the next two years if we're still not looking like competing for the league. Which we almost certainly won't be.
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Kanes an odd one, very much like Jack Grealish at Villa, captain of his boyhood club and best player by some margin - at what point does that not make him happy anymore?

For Kane, if hes not winning a trophy this year, he needs to leave in my opinion. Entering the "last big move" window as hes in his late 20's, if you cant win under Poch or Jose, I doubt anyone else can come in and get them winning in a short time frame.

I've grown up always knowing man united to go out and buy the best english players avaliable. I firmly believe Sir Alex would have got Kane over the line at united a year or two ago. Hes what they actually need and have done since Rooney left. Ive said it for years too.

P.S I hate United, im just being honest.
 
Bdill93 said:
Kanes an odd one, very much like Jack Grealish at Villa, captain of his boyhood club and best player by some margin - at what point does that not make him happy anymore?

For Kane, if hes not winning a trophy this year, he needs to leave in my opinion. Entering the "last big move" window as hes in his late 20's, if you cant win under Poch or Jose, I doubt anyone else can come in and get them winning in a short time frame.

I've grown up always knowing man united to go out and buy the best english players avaliable. I firmly believe Sir Alex would have got Kane over the line at united a year or two ago. Hes what they actually need and have done since Rooney left. Ive said it for years too.

P.S I hate United, im just being honest.
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Kane isn't the captain though. Maybe we can offer him that to tempt him to stay, lol. United aren't the draw they were, he'd be wasting his time going there. Although they've improved they're still in transition. Joining City is the sensible option, he'd literally be the missing piece in the jigsaw, I can see them winning every trophy going with him in the side. Imagine his game now but instead of Son running off him, it's Sterling, Mahrez, Bernardo, Foden, Jesus if they play him off the left. Failing that, it would be a dumb move in terms of level, but I wouldn't rule out him joining Poch at PSG and easily winning 3 league titles in a row, ha. Real Madrid should take him, I can't believe they're still playing Benzema to be honest.
 
Orikoru said:
Kane isn't the captain though. Maybe we can offer him that to tempt him to stay, lol. United aren't the draw they were, he'd be wasting his time going there. Although they've improved they're still in transition. Joining City is the sensible option, he'd literally be the missing piece in the jigsaw, I can see them winning every trophy going with him in the side. Imagine his game now but instead of Son running off him, it's Sterling, Mahrez, Bernardo, Foden, Jesus if they play him off the left. Failing that, it would be a dumb move in terms of level, but I wouldn't rule out him joining Poch at PSG and easily winning 3 league titles in a row, ha. Real Madrid should take him, I can't believe they're still playing Benzema to be honest.
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Oh yeah, its Lloris isnt it? Always forget that - he is the England cap though so im letting myself off ;)

Thats my point really "Fergies united" aren't this current side - I just firmly believe that he would have been a united player had fergie still been there now.

Hes a quality player for whoever he move's to, I hope that he goes abroad to be honest. Would be werid seeing him play for someone else in the prem - stranger things have happened though!
 
Orikoru said:
Kane isn't the captain though. Maybe we can offer him that to tempt him to stay, lol. United aren't the draw they were, he'd be wasting his time going there. Although they've improved they're still in transition. Joining City is the sensible option, he'd literally be the missing piece in the jigsaw, I can see them winning every trophy going with him in the side. Imagine his game now but instead of Son running off him, it's Sterling, Mahrez, Bernardo, Foden, Jesus if they play him off the left. Failing that, it would be a dumb move in terms of level, but I wouldn't rule out him joining Poch at PSG and easily winning 3 league titles in a row, ha. Real Madrid should take him, I can't believe they're still playing Benzema to be honest.
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I think RM have there sights on Mbappe. But agree he would fit in there. Wonder if Bale gives Kane any advice though.
Like I say, I see it both ways re Kane and Grealish. If they stay its no different to Messi. Apart from a trophy cupboard that's rammed ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
https://www.sportbible.com/football...8KJJgdbPGyFeejmPTbferX01nBsyZ12z4nZftl04bATOY

Good to see that players are speaking out in regards VAR ruining the sport
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So getting (non-) decisions correct is 'ruining the game'! Pah!
I seem to remember earlier posts (not specifically from you) about 'bad' decisions by refs 'spoiling the game'!
IMO, the only thing that's consistent is that fans think someone/something is 'ruining the game' when decisions don't go their way!
 
Orikoru said:
Kane isn't the captain though. Maybe we can offer him that to tempt him to stay, lol. United aren't the draw they were, he'd be wasting his time going there. Although they've improved they're still in transition. Joining City is the sensible option, he'd literally be the missing piece in the jigsaw, I can see them winning every trophy going with him in the side. Imagine his game now but instead of Son running off him, it's Sterling, Mahrez, Bernardo, Foden, Jesus if they play him off the left. Failing that, it would be a dumb move in terms of level, but I wouldn't rule out him joining Poch at PSG and easily winning 3 league titles in a row, ha. Real Madrid should take him, I can't believe they're still playing Benzema to be honest.
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Kane's instinctive combination with Son is what is really the key. I doubt he'd have the same magic elsewhere, but would be happy to see it happen if he does move.
 
Foxholer said:
Kane's instinctive combination with Son is what is really the key. I doubt he'd have the same magic elsewhere, but would be happy to see it happen if he does move.
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OK, as said before, not a massive follower of football but it has always seemed to me that strikers find their perfect spot, team around them etc and are hard pushed to repeat that when they move on. Kane at Spurs is one, Vardy at Leicester, maybe even Ings at Southampton and a number of others. They find a team and a set up where they are scoring for fun and then assume that this will be the same at another club. Seem to be a number who have been OK before they join their current club, find a perfect set up for their style of play then, when they move on, expect more of the same rather than a return to how they were before.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
https://www.sportbible.com/football...8KJJgdbPGyFeejmPTbferX01nBsyZ12z4nZftl04bATOY

Good to see that players are speaking out in regards VAR ruining the sport
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I agree in principle that footballers need to speak up, but hopefully slightly more articulately than that. It just sounded like he was moaning because he had a goal chalked off basically. I concede it's probably a language thing so hopefully other players back him up now! The point he was trying to make (I think) is the one I agree with the most - offsides should be judged by eye on the video replay, not by drawing lines on it. Then we can get back to 'level' actually existing and being onside.
 
GB72 said:
OK, as said before, not a massive follower of football but it has always seemed to me that strikers find their perfect spot, team around them etc and are hard pushed to repeat that when they move on. Kane at Spurs is one, Vardy at Leicester, maybe even Ings at Southampton and a number of others. They find a team and a set up where they are scoring for fun and then assume that this will be the same at another club. Seem to be a number who have been OK before they join their current club, find a perfect set up for their style of play then, when they move on, expect more of the same rather than a return to how they were before.
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That's a fair point. Torres at Liverpool and then Chelsea springs to mind first and foremost. Or someone like Zaha failing at United then going back to Palace and being decent again. But perhaps the very best players can adapt to their new team and succeed anywhere? C.Ronaldo and Zlatan for example.
 
GB72 said:
OK, as said before, not a massive follower of football but it has always seemed to me that strikers find their perfect spot, team around them etc and are hard pushed to repeat that when they move on. Kane at Spurs is one, Vardy at Leicester, maybe even Ings at Southampton and a number of others. They find a team and a set up where they are scoring for fun and then assume that this will be the same at another club. Seem to be a number who have been OK before they join their current club, find a perfect set up for their style of play then, when they move on, expect more of the same rather than a return to how they were before.
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I'm inclined to agree, though the Kane/Son combo is something quite magic!
And the 'problem' for those that move on (or consider it) is to realise that it'll take a little time to get the same 'instinct' that worked in one team to happen in another - regardless of the quality of player at the new club. And supporters of the club the've moved to can be very impatient!
Maybe this guy would be an exception, though I don't believe he's going anywhere! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/55882674
 
Orikoru said:
That's a fair point. Torres at Liverpool and then Chelsea springs to mind first and foremost. Or someone like Zaha failing at United then going back to Palace and being decent again. But perhaps the very best players can adapt to their new team and succeed anywhere? C.Ronaldo and Zlatan for example.
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I think that is a fair point but I do not think that there are many that can fit into any team as those 2 have.
 
Orikoru said:
That's a fair point. Torres at Liverpool and then Chelsea springs to mind first and foremost. Or someone like Zaha failing at United then going back to Palace and being decent again. But perhaps the very best players can adapt to their new team and succeed anywhere? C.Ronaldo and Zlatan for example.
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Some teams will build their play around a player or buy a player that will fit the existing style perfectly. The problem comes when they buy a player and then try to alter what made them succesful in order to fit a different style. Square pegs + round holes etc. If you buy a player because they do X and Y then make them do W and Z why be surprised when they can't do it as well?

When a striker fits a style wonderfully well, Ings at Southampton, Vardy at Leicester are two stand outs, then it can transform a team.
 
Orikoru said:
Kane isn't the captain though. Maybe we can offer him that to tempt him to stay, lol. United aren't the draw they were, he'd be wasting his time going there. Although they've improved they're still in transition. Joining City is the sensible option, he'd literally be the missing piece in the jigsaw, I can see them winning every trophy going with him in the side. Imagine his game now but instead of Son running off him, it's Sterling, Mahrez, Bernardo, Foden, Jesus if they play him off the left. Failing that, it would be a dumb move in terms of level, but I wouldn't rule out him joining Poch at PSG and easily winning 3 league titles in a row, ha. Real Madrid should take him, I can't believe they're still playing Benzema to be honest.
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I can't imagine Harry Kane playing abroad. It's a lifestyle thing rather than for footballing reasons.
 
Well that’s an interesting deadline day for Liverpool

Two CB’s signing in one day

Davies arrives for £2mil from Preston - contract was due to finish at the end of the season

Kabak signing from Schalke for an initial loan and then an option to buy at the end of the season.
 
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